Kerman Lejarraga Araña vs. David Gavrushevich Avanesyan & César Núñez Prado vs. Guillermo Rivero RBR

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  1. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    His team and the spanish media was soooo arrogant before the fight. You can't even imagine. Like 10 articles about him moving to the US after beating Avanesyan and 0 articles about Avanesyan himself.
     
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  2. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Oh well... I don't speak Spanish. So I have the luxury of not reading or caring.:lol:
     
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  3. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Holy ****, he literally just got TKO'd by DA. hype train -- derailed.

    I'm far from the type of fan or poster that think one loss, even an upset loss, ends a career. FAR from it. But KL isn't world-class and lets be real, he never will be. Solid Euro level crude and one dimensional boxer who's fun and exciting to watch but is fatally flawed in so many areas, and if DA drops you and knocks you the **** out, you're chin and defense, or lack of both, will keep tabs on you and make sure you don't ever leave Europe level.

    DA theoretically shouldn't even have the power to keep world-class punchers with world class skills and talent honest, let alone actually hurt them. If he knocks you out, sorry bud, there's way too much you don't have, but forget that massive amount of flaws, and just realize you're defense and chin are a joke and you just can't hang.
     
  4. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    It was more accumulation and Kerman gassing than anything. It reminded me of the Lemieux-Rubio KO.
     
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  5. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone banned Full Member

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    You know i was actually bargaining on a good western european fighter for once. The french seem to have a few solid ones. Italy have no one, the spanish have garcia left, germany are **** unless they import turks, belgium - no, dutch - kickboxers.

    ah well atleast the brits still have a row of top fighters!
     
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  6. wifly

    wifly Active Member Full Member

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    You must refer to Basque media, Spanish media don't give a **** about boxing, unless some Bulgarian boxer is kissing a female reporter
     
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  7. Odo

    Odo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Most good fighters in germany are not turks but russians and fighters born in the countries of the former soviet union.
     
  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Very good comparison.

    Id say overall Avanesyan is on the same level Veneno was.
     
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  9. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hmm...…. Ok, now beginning to see the similarities, can roll with it for sure, but honestly in the DL vs. Rubio fight I was of the opinion that 100% DL hit empty due to his awful restraint in pacing himself to that point and was consequently and subsequently TKO'd solely or all but solely because of that. But Lejarraga actually legitimately showed vulnerability to DA's punches and seemed rocked on 2-3 occasions before that round. I do believe KL gassing was the primary factor in his inability to take DA's punches(literally laughed as I typed that, can barely comprehend it really happened) well -- along with his horrific defense, which doesn't have holes, rather it's just non-existant and a friggin flood gate.

    After the DL vs Rubio matchup, I saw it for what it was -- a young and hyped prospect making a big jump in class fighting a tough MF'er who was vastly more experienced, cagey, smarter and trickier at the time, more durable than anyone DL had previously faced, knew how to pace himself, gameplan and stick to that gameplan, and simply too much too soon for David. He came out guns blazing and for the first time in his career someone was actually taking his shots and staying upright and in front of him, and due to his inexperience, he just punched down on the gas pedal harder, it was really all he knew to do at the time. When it was over I knew it could be a valuable learning experience and in the end actually make DL a better fighter due to it if he had the mental makeup to handle it. He did and it was. But I never thought DL had a glass jaw or the complete inability to comprehend "defense" and understand it. I'm not saying I walked away from that thinking DL was a granite chinned MW Oliver McCall, I mean it obviously had to leave viewers with some questions about his chin, but overall, to those that know the sport, I'm pretty sure most knowledgeable fans who saw it, if they were asked after seeing the fight "can DL comeback from this, learn from it and be better for it, and do you still consider him a world-class prospect?" All but certain the collective replies would almost unanimously have been a "yes, yes, and yes -- he got taught an awful lesson on the importance of pacing during a fight, but he was young and inexperienced, he'll be around and contending/defending for a long time to come."

    Even though I agree with you KL's stoppage loss was significantly impacted by him gassing and horrifically pacing himself as well, I dunno brother, having a hard time trying to put this into words, but the basic gist of my thoughts is that this guy IMO has a glass chin until proven otherwise, has zero belief/knowledge/awareness/understanding that defense actually exists outside of soccer/futbol, doesn't have the layers, skill, IQ, generalship, talent, athleticism to be relevant on the world level, and most importantly I get the feeling intangibly he's among the worst in the sport. I think he fights like a bully and im sure he loves boxing when he is teeing off on some hopeless boxer too afraid to return fire or open up, but when someone stands up to him and won't back down to he and his power, and he's actually in a fight...… Well, not for long, because the mentally and physically tough/strong FIGHTER that believes in himself to his core that didn't back down -- ya, well he basically just KO'd KL by not backing down, either that or KL literally hopped the rope and ran out of the ring like a *****.

    So, ya, I agree he gassed and that factor was the most prominent among many for him getting TKO'd , but unlike DL, this kid is not a fighter, won't be a "professional boxer" much longer, has SO MANY fatal flaws that are inherent/genetic and for the flaws that aren't I don't think he's capable of fixing them, doesn't have nor did he ever nor will he ever have the talent, skill, chin, ring IQ, generalship, understanding of boxing and the many different concepts and styles that are a part of it, has nowhere near the punching power of DL nor is he one eighth the boxer DL is offensively, doesn't have close to the natural talent, athleticism, and physical gifts DL has, and he doesn't have the resolve, resilience, mental and intestinal fortitude, or probably any intangible DL has. And a lot of the things I just mentioned that DL has and KL doesn't, well DL isn't anywhere near elite in a lot of those and is average at best in some of them. Basically, DL has always had "it" and I always felt that way and believed it even after his upset loss to Rubio. Professional boxing is a great fit for DL and vice versa. Personally, I just don't think this kid's the goods, not one bit -- in any way shape or form, and as bad to downright awful as he is in SO MANY areas, IMO none even come close to being as bad as his chin, balls, intangibles, and defense. I just don't see this kid ever being more than a Euro-level talent.
     
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  10. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Man, I have always said it. The best spaniard boxer is not kerman, is jonfer. Yes, jonfer lost a fight, so what? jonfer is way better than caveman kerman.

    You cant expect a lot from the boxing from spain, though, there is only football there. Props to kiko, though, but he's on his way to retirement so....
     
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  11. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Nah, its Sergio Garcia.:deal:
     
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  12. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Mmmmm, I dont know I like jonfer better. Nevertheless , good point, I have to admit that sergio really impressed me in his last fight, and that I underrated him badly.
     
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  13. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Rule of the thumb, if your oponent's name ends with "esian" or something like this, there are A LOT of chances that he's a tough mofo, be careful. I dont know exactly why, but it's like that.
     
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  14. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone banned Full Member

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    That's why fighters like Kerman need to go to the us or uk to train. Boxing is so much more than being able to hit.
     
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  15. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    I dont agree, you can easily see in this fight that kerman's jaw is just average, at best. He just doesnt like to be hit. And it will not be the only ko in his career, that's for sure.
     
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