kerry kayes advice

hatton is well conditioned because he busts his ass, not because of kerry kaye's bodybuilding routine.

 

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You think bodybuilding workouts are effective for boxers? Good luck with that.

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Giving a list of boxers who lift weights does not prove isolation is needed. Isolation lifts are not needed at all by boxers.

So? Again, you are training for a sport which is predominantly anaerobic. Spending so much time doing aerobic training is a waste of time.

Giving lists of boxers isn't going to prove anything.

You don't have to be a top level athlete to know a bodybuilding workout created to build muscle isn't good for a boxer, compound lifts are more functional and better suited to a boxer than isolation lifts and doing high volume aerobic work for a sport which is predominantly anaerobic is pointless.

 

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this guy is also nowhere near (not at all) being a top athlete, has never won a bodybuilding contest, yet he knows more than any top athlete will ever know.

 

Dont you think Kerry knows this? Was Holyfield stupid for employing Lee Haney?

Thats a very shallow way of looking at training. Excercise regimes are quite hollistic. What Kerry does WORKS for Hatton. He may have been a bodybuilder but trust me ALL bodybuilders know how to build muscle. Seeing as Hatton has no problem making 140 despite blowing up to as close as 200lbs his hardly on a bodybuilding regime. Of course functional muscle is diffrent in terms of the way its trained but to simply casually dismiss his experience is as backward as all the boxing trainers that say "weights for boxers is bad!".

 

The bottom line is this. Hatton is a fighter 1st. Because he incooperates a weight lifting regime that augments his fighting skills even further. Wether his hitting specific muscle groups or lifting heavy to keep his metabolism in overdrive the facts remain his a boxer FIRST. The weights simply make him that much better and more explosive.

The common misperception is "weights make you bigger!" "weights make you stiff!" Thats bull**** and a backwards philosphy. Any sport augmented by strength training increases the productivity of the said athlete. Iv been doing it for 6 years now. Iv seen dramatic gains right across the board.

 

What exactly is your definition of bodybuilding training?

How is isolation non functional for boxers. Please explain.

 

bodybuilding?

i dont remember bodybuilding exercises?

unless you are talking about the one handed lat pull down?

 

didn't holyfield dump haney and go with dr squat fred hatfield?

 

HOW IS isolation functional for boxers?

 

How is it NOT functional. Thats the question i asked first. Please explain.

 

No, I'm not a top level athlete but I have trained them.

I'm not saying that those who employ these methods are not good fighters. I'm saying that they could be better if they employed better methods.

To answer a few of the questions raised:
1. Bodybuilding training is basically training for hypertrophy by training the same muscle groups in consecutive exercises, using a format similar to 3 sets of 10 reps. The rest break between sets is usually 45-60 seconds. Bodybuilding style training can play a part when you've just come off a break but I wouldn't advise any fighters do it past then as there are more productive ways to train. Obviously Heavyweights can get a way with a bit more bodybuilding training because many want to be bigger, but I think they'd get much more benefit by concentrating on increasing productive muscle mass (ie, strength, power) rather than just building muscle for the sake of being bigger, or weighing more on the scales.

2. Isolation exercises: lifting a weight you only lift 10 times in an isolation format isn't functional and increases the risk of injury in the weights room (especially for fighters when working the shoulder joint). The primary isolation movements for the shoulder joint are Front Raise, Lateral Raise, and Bench Flyes. I'd love for anyone to explain how these are functional. On the other hand, a compound exercise such as Bench Press allows you to lift more weight (recruiting more muscle fibres), shares the load across a number of joints (reducing the risk of injury), and allows the muscles that need to work in with each other during the punching action improve their coordination under strain.

3. Endurance Running: I didn't say endurance running had no part in boxing training, they play an integral role especially in the early part of the training cycle. The benefit is endurance runs is that it improves your base fitness. This is obviously very important, but should not be the only method used. The main benefit of interval training is that it will increase your anaerobic threshold, so you can work at higher intensities whilst still using the aerobic energy system. It'll also improve your recovery after bursts. This is not just my opinion, it is written in most academic text.


Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I wouldn't expect anyone to change theirs just because they read about it on the internet. My advice is go and try it. It's the only way you'll know for sure.

 

Haney was a student of Hatfield. Hatfield developed the routine for Holyfield and Haney monitored and accompanied his progress. They used a mesocycle that was sports specific as well as modified body building routine.

 

On point. :thumbsup

But isolation only increases the risk of injury if you dont know your limits. Marcus Davis a UFC fighter seperated his tricep from his rear delts by completely over doing it in the weights room. There is NOTHING wrong with isolation whatsoever providing its sports specific. Bench press can be construed as isolation aswell as a compound excercise but secondary muscle groups are worked aswell like the delts triceps and lats so the overall gains are superior. But either way if its over weighted theres undue stress on the rotator cuff which can get tighter with time.

As iv said time and again excercise regimes are entirely hollistic. You cannot point blankly say Isolation is bad, or weights are bad for boxers etc. Whats one mans poison is anothers mans gain. You will never know the outcome unless you have tried it.

 

Ok, let's use Front Raises as an example: You lift the dumbbell from beside (or slightly in front of) your body, up to eye level. So the purpose of the movement is to improve strength when moving the upper arm (Humerus) in an upward direction. This movement on its own is just not used in boxing. You could argue that the movment is used when doing an uppercut. A more functional way of doing it would be to replicate the real movement, but then it would not longer be an isolation exercise as the leg/hips are ebing used.

In reality, many people are doing isolation and that's fine, but it's just not the best way to train. Once again, not just my opinion but many others.

 

Yes, very true. Knowing your limits is exactly it. But not many people know this. Walk into any gym (not just boxing) and even many instructors know their limits.

I do get where you're coming from now, and I do agree that isolation exercises aren't necesserily bad, but I think they are better used early in the training cycle and leave the compnd ones for building strength.

Totally agree on the Rotator Cuff point. Program balance is extremely important.