Kessler-Bute: This is where the fight is at right now...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by JoeAverage, Jun 21, 2011.


  1. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    im not really a fan nor do i dislike either....even though i think kessler has the far better resume, bute is the undefeated guy , hes the one with a belt...and all that really dont mean much to most, but in their world is bargaining power........i think they should agree to the fight, a date, the money...and flip a coin to where they fight..have a rematch clause and the rematch is in the other guys backyard......
     
  2. laffie

    laffie Montreal Full Member

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    You seem to forget that Kessler said publicly he was willing to travel to Montreal. He came here ringside, Showtime promoting a Kessler-Bute fight (in Montreal) during the fight. He also said to his fans that the Bouadla fight would be his last in Denmark. Obviously, Kessler was not thinking like you and things seemed to be pretty settled. Then, Sauerland started his gimmicks.

    Although I agree that Bute has to travel (he's supposed to travel for Pavlik AND the super 6 winner), Sauerland was not clean in the Bute-Kessler situation. That works well if he can control all the cards but it won't work with any of the top SMW or LHW division fighters promoters. If he doesn't travel, Kessler will not be able to face the best opposition. Ward, Froch, Bute, Dirrell, Dawson, Cloud, Hopkins: none of them will go to Europe to fight on a Sauerland card. Sauerland is the key word here.
     
  3. Clarkson

    Clarkson Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Stieglitz & Pavlik are both decent fights (not as good as facing each other or Dirrell) perhaps with one more fight for Kessler and a belt the fight can be made early next year.
     
  4. sabsman

    sabsman Well-Known Member Full Member

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    simply well put:good
     
  5. JoeAverage

    JoeAverage Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Kessler is willing to travel anywhere - as is Bute, no? But Kessler shouldn't this time, and the fair thing is Bute travels - so in this case thank good the promoters and not the boxers make the deal - otherwise the fighters with the smallest set of cojones would stay at home their entire careers, and someone like Bute would never leave home it seems...(and lets not hear those stories about this and that fight that allllmost happened in some other country...just get it done. Action speaks louder than words).

    That is not the point. The point is that Kessler HAS travelled his fair share and more, while Bute has been sitting at home protected and in his comfort zone.

    The promoters, who are the ones that actually negociate the fights, know this - and know that Bute as the much lesser proven fighter, and the one with the stay-at-home stigma should be the one to travel this time.

    Kessler already travelled to a bunch of fights. Froch already travelled.

    Bute should say "I want to fight Kessler in Copenhagen" and he will get the biggest purse of his carreer. Or say "will fight Froch in Nottingham for so and so much".

    Let's wait and see, perhaps Interbox lets Bute travel (and makes such an offer) just like Froch and Kessler's promoters have let them travel for major fights.

    PS. "Sauerland is the key here"... another excuse. For recent SMW fights, remember Andrade-Bute 1 and the controversy? Now, think about Abraham-Froch. This was promoted by Sauerland and the main Sauerland fighter lost.... Excuses. Sauerland are no worse than Interbox or most other promoters.
     
  6. JoeAverage

    JoeAverage Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes. I think it could be made in Germany since Kessler is not German. But some may not like this, just as Sauerland may not like it to be in the US.

    So why not have it in the UK? Sort of neutral ground here.
     
  7. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You assume Bute doesn't want to travel and you base your comments on that. He's always mentioned he's ready to go anywhere and nothing at all says that he wouldn't go to Denmark if Sauerland at least had the decency to make a counter offer to invite him there....THEY DIDN'T ! End of story ! Everyone is simply saying that circumstances point to the fact that Kessler's team didn't want to match him with Bute in the fall.

    I also gave you a few very legit examples of times Bute was gonna travel. It was not speculation, 2 of those deals were all but done and the Atlantic City deal with Pavlik and HBO in 2010 was signed and sealed.

    You also constantly refuse to acknowledge that most fighters and promoters simply want to go where they can earn the most money. It just so happens that not too many boxers can generate gates like Bute, therefore they all wanna get their paycheck from his drawing power. Is that Bute's fault if money is the #1 concern of rival promoters ?

    In the Kessler case, I have no doubt he can draw and generate at least as much if not more....but he must make an offer if he's serious about fighting. He didn't make an offer.....

    You, then saying he doesn't make an offer because Bute doesn't want to travel makes it a left field comment with no reasoning and ONLY an opinion based on your personal belief.....that Bute has no balls to travel :roll:

    Just admit that you have a thing against him...
     
  8. dru626

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    I remember at the press conference after Bute - Miranda, Stéphan Larouche was watching the Pavlik vs Martinez fight and he was a bit worried and said that things don't look good for Pavlik.
     
  9. JoeAverage

    JoeAverage Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I will use this post to answer you and a couple of other Bute fans. Because you may be right that this was Interbox' arguments in their offer.

    Bute's people may have used exactly the same 'argument' or excuse in the 'offer' that was made.. "hes the one with a belt"...

    If that is the case.... the sensible thing would be to say "forget about him... let him rot in Canada, while I go another way.. and in the process get another title fight as well".

    "Kessler's team did not want to fight Bute in Canada in the fall" another guy said.

    Sure - why would he? Why would Kessler travel to fight the one who has yet to have a meaningful fight, and must be looking for one? Why would Kessler travel to the backyard of some dark horse that may be very good, although unproven?

    I would say that Sauerland would be the world's most incompetent promoters if they sent Kessler to Canada to earn the same or less than he usually does in Copenhagen - and with only a few rounds under his belt against a average opponent - and with Kessler saying that although one eye is good the other is still not good... and against a guy that many believe is top 4-5 in the division (me included).

    That would be the epitomy of incompetence if they did that.

    They know that Bute needs Kessler more than the other way around, and this will be even more obvious if Kessler beats Stieglitz.

    No promoter in their right mind would do that. Sauerland already got overly confident once recently when they thought their biggest cash-cow Abraham could clean up the 168 division. Moving him up was a brazen and risky move... Kessler has taken many chances... going to australia to fight Mundine, and to Wales to fight Calzaghe, and so on.

    Why doesn't Bute and Interbox take a chance for once?
     
  10. dru626

    dru626 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Dude, this is Big BS. Have you seen Marko Huck vs Denis Lebedev? Or any other Sauerland events fights at all? They had no choice, as Froch outboxed the ****er all night long and Abraham did not land a clear punch all night. This is why Froch decided to play it safe. He knew what he was up against.
     
  11. CLUBBER

    CLUBBER C.R.A.B. BOXING Full Member

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    :patsch:-(
     
  12. laffie

    laffie Montreal Full Member

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    It's a nice fairy tale but it doesn't fit with the reality. Reality is Sauerland chose to go the Stieglitz way BEFORE Interbox made them an offer. Sauerland is the one not wanting the fight now. Anywhere, he doesn't want it. All you thinking is void by that simple fact. Sauerland bullshitted everyone and you must be the only one in the world still believing him.
     
  13. laffie

    laffie Montreal Full Member

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    If you do a little research, you'll find posts about Froch not wanting to go to Germany to fight Abraham so he basically disagrees with you, and without the contract with Showtime, he would never have gone there. I remember Andrade-Bute 1 and since, Bute has never got a Canadian referee. I also remember Pascal-Hopkins 2, a close fight won by the stranger. I foremost remember Beyer-Lucas and some blatant robberies. That's my personal opinion but Kessler won't be able to fight big names under Sauerland in Denmark or Germany. He will have to travel or will face B class fighters. Take the names I gave you and try to convince me they'll go to Denmark: Ward, Hopkins, Dawson, Cloud, Froch. Good luck man.

    By the way, you want Bute to say he wants to fight Kessler in Denmark. Well, he said many times he would face anyone anywhere. I guess you can check it on your list.