Kessler-Calzaghe September date in trouble

Ill be there....

 

There is little to none comparison between Calzaghe-Kessler and Calzaghe-Eubanks.

Eubanks-Calzaghe - Eubanks was a fading star, who took the fight with 10 days notice and had to drain himself to make weight. The bookies had Calzaghe as favourite and there was only 10 days for promotion of the fight. Calzaghe wasn't a name yet - only a promising contender.

Calzaghe-Kessler - Both fighters undefeated - both fighters holding belts, which they have defended several times. The promotion has been going on for a long time already.

As for Kahn - he might very well be on the undercard, but he will not be getting anything that even comes close to 500.000 - proberbly around 80-100.000 - tops. And HBO wouldn't be paying a dollar more to have Jahn on the card - and even less so with Mac. If HBO shows Kahn, then Khan's pay may even be lower - it's Kahn that stands to gain by being on a card televised in the US, more than Warren. Calzaghe-Kessler is more than enough to sell this fight - Hell Kessler sold 20.000 tickets versus Andrade - Calzaghe-Kessler should sell 40-50.000 easy - Kahn or not.

Oh and a few questions for you Blocky.

1. Which three future champions did Calzaghe beat?

2. Which four opponents would do more for Calzaghe's legacy than Kessler? - oh and sell as much or better than Kessler?

 

To hell with that "Eubank had to drain himself" argument. The guy was as slim as he'd been in years and yes, he took the fight on ten days notice, but he had been training well prior and had to drain an amazing 7 pounds in 10 days!atsch

The Eubank win was legitimate, Eubank was past his prime, but Joe was green, so it was a big step up.

 

It's fact, Eubank was trimmed down and look refreshed for this fight. His overly muscled stature from his 92-96 years would have served him even less in this affair.

Everytime Eubank is mentioned in Calzaghe's resume, the word "drained" comes along with it, but I never see a mention of "green Calzaghe" once. Boxing fans love to discredit Calzaghe and that's one of the only subjects that you are dead on about when you post on here.

 

Why would/should he have fought a decent fighter such as Glen Johnson? He ruled a division while it was weak. He was hesitant to face Lacy, and only his father made him do it.

But he was the champ and as such he should take on the biggest threats - wouldnt you agree? And yes Kessler was the right person at the right time to beat anybody in the division that held a belt, and now the time has come for the ring belt owner. He is not hiding behind his newly gained belts. Nor does he fight lesser fighters save maybe Lucas since he became champ.

And how can it be wasted if it generates a career payday for both?

 

Bika, Veit and Manfredo - you got to be kiding!!!

Veit just lost to Inkin - who is a good fighter, but if you can't beat Inkin you are not going be a champion - not of the world anyway.

Manfredo - Couldn't even win a realityshow - Green will hopefully beat him out of the mix.

Bika - he is a fighter that is hard to look against, but he isn't going to win any titles - he doesn't have the abilities.

RJJ - how is that fight going to do anything for Calzaghe at this point?

Hokins/wright/Taylor - They are going to fight eachother before considering Calzaghe - winner of Wright/Hopkins verus winner of Taylor/Pavlik - for much more money and legacy than Calzaghe can ever offer.

Dawson - Calzaghe isn't moving up in weight - he is staying in SMW defending his WBO - if he was to move up he'd have done it a long time ago.

As for Eubanks being drained - he boxed in a weightclass above both before and after - I wouldn't say that he lost because he was drained - he lost because Calzaghe was better - but just the fact that the bookies had Calzaghe a big favourite says it all. If the fight was really the establised world star fighting the hot young prospect - then it would have been the other way around.

I'm not saying it wasn't a good win it was - but the fight comes nowhere near Calzaghe-Kessler!

 

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You better take away the career high payday too then...

Nobody rates RJJ anymore - sorry

As for the middleweight battle - the US-public will want to know who is the best -> big payday - it will be made. It's about 100 times more likely than Calzaghe facing any of them.

Veit wasn't winning - the fight was even on all three cards at the time...

As for Beyer, Mundine and Siaca - what difference does it make - earlier you said they weren't worthy champions - following that logic neither Veit, Manfredo or Bika will ever be worthy champions - hence not a good win for Calzaghe!

 

Yes, it was actually Collins-Calzaghe that was scheduled. Calzaghe-Eubank drew a crowd of 13.000. It was not a fight at the same level of Calzaghe-Kessler. Eubank was scheduled to fight at 175 lbs. So he had to drain an extra 7 lbs. Extra! Because he had trouble making 175 in his previous fights.

Bika, Veit and Manfredo future champs That is funny. Bika has a slim chance if Kessler and Calzaghe moves up or retires. Veit weren't winning against Inkin. The fight was even, and anyone could see, that Veit had troubles coping with the power of Inkin. It was a question when he would collaps under the pressure. Manfredo??? Don't go there.

Jens

 

Eubanks had been aware for 2 months that he was almost certainly going to be filling in for Collins and openly admits he was in as good shape as he was when he beat Benn and just as sharp.

 

Hughweb, Calzaghe vs Manfredo sold about 35.000 tickets according to boxrec.com. Do you say that 25.000 of them came to see Manfredo? Put Khan on the undercard and you will easily have the same. And I bet Warren would like Khan to get some exposure in the US. The media will sell this fight to the crowd. Also expect a lot of danes to take the trip, if they can get tickets.

Jens

 

Did he honestly look weight drained and off his game? No. At that point in time he was better suited to 168 than any other weight, 175 too heavy, 160 too light.

 

Plenty of well-toned fat, yes.

 

13 pounds is nothing the way boxers dehydrate.

 

Deram, the distinction between KO and TKO as a measure for power, is in itself ridiculous. To claim that a 9th round KO is a sign of more power than a 1st round TKO is nonsense.

Besides, if a boxer knocks his opponent unconscious and the referee doesn't even count, but just waves it of, it is a TKO!!! In your book, that is a sign of low power. Hmmm, I disagree.

If a fighter is stopped because of the three knockdown rule, it is a TKO.

If the referee counts to eight, looks at the boxer, decides he is not ready to fight and waves it of, it is a TKO. A KO is only when the referee actually counts to 10.

Remember Tszyu-Judah? One of my favorite knockouts of all-time. Well, that is actually a TKO, because Jay Nady decides to call it off before he reaches 10.

KO or TKO tells you absolutely nothing about how hard the punch was, or how brutal the stoppage was.

Denmark had it's own rules of boxing until something like 4 or 5 years ago. Now they follow the EBU rules. Rules are different all over the world. Besides it is the supervisor who determines the official result. They are not always comptent to do that. The knowledge of the boxing rules by danish judges are sometimes horrible, and that I have from DPBF itself (perhaps they should stop talking on their cell phones during the fights for a start).

Blocky, noone said it was a guaranteed 20 mill. fight. I have said 15 mill.

Jens