Neither do I but Ottke in terms of achievement is leagues above Sturm/Abraham and has a better case for being 168lb no1 on paper than Kessler ever will
Ottke is not as **** as people think...but is he as boring as people think..Believe me, Ive been through an Ottke marathon..I DO NOT recommend it unless you have a bad case of insomnia.
This is what he said: This is the context he said it in: You are changing his opinion for him. What you are proposing is in agreement with me, but it is not what he initially stated. Read the posts. :good
You have changed your initial opinion when called on it, and repeatedly avoid justifying it. An admission of culpability whether you state it explicitly or not. :good IF Kessler cleans out 168 and beats more than a couple of the best from 160-175 and in doing so compiles a more impressive resume and body of achievements than Calzaghe, he will rank higher than him. Of course he will. Fin.
I know. That's one thing we can thank him for. It almost makes up for the never-ending stream of abusive and ill-informed posts.
PowerPuncher, can you clarify for Dinamita that my understanding of your statement is correct, and you were partially taking Calzaghes other achievements into your consideration when saying that Kessler couldn't surpass Calzaghe because of his V over him?? Dinamita, I think we're both getting at the same thing but just interpreted the statement differently!!!
does it matter??? powerpuncher is a terrible poster and will constantly contradict himself in the effort to hit the right note; rarely happens.
Well yes as me and Dinamita clearly disagree over the context of the statement. I Know nothing of how he posts so excuse my ignorance if you will, but i just thought he made a comment that was jumped upon unecessarrily (reminds me of my college/uni days studing Politics!!Haha) Thanks
Ofcourse, if it was a 1 off win and Calzaghe had loads of losses and didnt have a quality resume of his own. However it was the pinnacle of both fighters careers, actually past Joe's own prime. Joe showed himself the superior fighter that night, it was a great win as Kessler is pretty much top level himself Notice how Dementia focuses on that 1 point and pulls up obscure irrelevant examples, his logic is foundamentally flawed. He wont bother examining his own blatant hypocracy or his Calzaghe hate. He wants to call me on my off the cuff 'Calzaghe proved himself the better man in the ring' while saying '2 or 3' wins against the likes of Bika and Pascal will bump Kessler above Calzaghe, the kids a joke I remember that there used to be a legion of Calzaghe haters and I was 1 of those critics, I'm pretty sure dementia was 1 of the more blatant 'haters'. You'll come to see there are many adverseries, Dementia and Fleabrain seem to be 2 of my stalkers, although I don't really remember either too well, neither have made particularly insightful arguments during my time here. When you make an objective critisism of a fans fave fighter he acts like you've just finnished seducing his wife The underlying consensus is Kessler will never reach Calzaghe's level, I've challenged the 2 muppets on here to give me 1 win of Kessler's that challenges any of Calzaghe's top7 wins and they can't do it. Believe it or not I've been a Calzaghe critic myself but he's a level above Kessler as a boxer and in terms of legacy, only a blind idiot would argue otherwise
Here is what he said (again): Quote: Originally Posted by PowerPuncher This content is protected Calazghe beat him in his prime, so Kessler can go and build a massive legacy and still be behind Joe I have nothing more to say on the subject. It's very, very obvious that this chap made a silly statement. End of, really.
And only a blind, deaf and dumb moron would completely rule out Kessler'c chances of ever overhauling Joe's achievements on the sole basis that Joe beat him h2h, because many fighters have overhauled the achievements of guys who beat them in their prime. History is littered with such examples, and even if you don't think Kessler will do so, you cannot rule it out with any real legitimacy. I said this pages ago, and I'm still right about it now.
We were being civilised and then you decided to say "end of"...are you 12 years old or something?? You've made yourself look very silly now PP has reinforced my opinion above - which I noticed you glossed over when responding!! Really is end of now isn't it!?!?!