Kessler has gone from overrated to underrated

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  1. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Really lets put Kessler into perspective and why he was considered the number 1 at 168:

    Siaca - dominated the WBA who many considered to get lucky against Mundine

    Mundine - Mundine was considered top5 in the world with very fast hands

    Siaca - ex WBC titlist past prime dominated and ko'd

    Beyer - WBC champ, top4 at the weight, stopped on a bodyshot in 3

    Andrade - unbeaten prospect dominated start to finnish

    Calzaghe - lost but won 4-5 rounds and hurt Calzaghe in a quality bout

    Sartison - unbeaten prospect dominated

    Haussler - decent Euro level operator drawing for the EBU belt

    Not P4P achievements but without a doubt was the most proven at SMW over the last 5 years, Calzaghe aside
     
  2. RightCross

    RightCross Grandmaster of Boxing Full Member

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    Its just ESB. He is still a top 6 SMW. Just he went from being slightly rated too highly at number one to where he belongs at around number 5-6. He is an excellent boxer with good skills and stamina. He just isnt versatile and cant infight. He needs a new trainer and to learn how to deal with infighting. If he learns those things he can fight anyone.
     
  3. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think it's due to the standard operating procedure that happens after a fight with a clear winner and loser- the winner usually gets a little too much credit because people are excited about future prospects, and the loser usually takes too much of a hit.
     
  4. Taylex

    Taylex Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That is not a balanced assessment at all.


    Mundine - C level fighter famous for getting KTFO cold with one punch from kid dynamite Sven Otkke.

    Siaca - ex paper champ in a weak division who just got lucky. C-level Fighter

    Beyer - One of the worst WBC champs of all time a complete record padder if ever I saw one. At best was a Euro level fighter but got lucky in a division absent of talent.

    Andrade - unbeaten prospect. WOW!

    Calzaghe - less competitive in defeat than Bika, Shot Eubanks, old BHOP and Robin Reid.

    Sartison - unbeaten prospect. What else has a achieved ?

    Haussler - decent Euro level operator drawing for the EBU belt:patsch
     
  5. Jimbob

    Jimbob Active Member Full Member

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    My opinion hasn't changed, Kessler is good with decent skills, but nothing really that exceptional. Some of the plaudits he was getting on here, mainly off the back of the Calzaghe fight, were way over the top.
     
  6. Mookhound

    Mookhound Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He just suffers against versatile fighters. Even Froch - see second half of both Pascal and Taylor fights - can change style slightly. Kessler just has a superb plan A, nowt else.
     
  7. phierl

    phierl Active Member Full Member

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    Stop saying that... Ward wasn't versatile Ward just outboxed him, with speed, lateral movement, better angles, good inside work in clinches (although Mikkel got confused by the ref) and that's about it. Calzaghe beat him in a different way he had to change his approach after round 1. Ward didn't do anything different he just wore Kessler down with the same tricks the entire bout, and Kessler just couldn't solve this puzzle with the tools he had in the bag that night. Ward deserve credit, and Kessler deserve his defeat for that performance imo.
     
  8. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He'll lay an ass whuppin on the Nottingham mummy.
     
  9. Danny_Rand

    Danny_Rand Slick N Quick Full Member

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    :lol::lol::lol::happy:happy:happy
     
  10. RightCross

    RightCross Grandmaster of Boxing Full Member

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    Those things you just mentioned are exactly what being versatile is about. :huh Talk about contradiction.
     
  11. phierl

    phierl Active Member Full Member

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    I didn't say he wasn't a versatile fighter, Ward just didn't have to do anything different and use those skills much, cause Kessler was walking into the same trap everytime.
     
  12. Hiro

    Hiro Active Member Full Member

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    Kessler wants to be underrated.. Only then will be The best smw in the world..
     
  13. Taylex

    Taylex Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Huh:huh
     
  14. RightCross

    RightCross Grandmaster of Boxing Full Member

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    Are you drunk today? Either he is or he isnt in your opinion. I would say he is the most versatile guy in the business today. He can box, he can brawl, he can clinch, he can demonstrate the sweet science. He can show angles, he fight both southpaw and conventional.

    Really no one else in boxing right now does all that.
     
  15. phierl

    phierl Active Member Full Member

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    Maybe I'm a little drunk and the words doesn't come out right, but I don't think that Kessler forced Ward to be versatile in the fight, abd that's why I wrote > Ward wasn't that versatile (in the particular fight).
    He didn't need to change his gameplan or approach like JC did against Kessler. I know Ward have many abilities that's why he's come so far, but if a versatile boxer fights a not so versatile type of boxer, the versatile guy can just choose the style that is best suited against his opponent who's not a versatile boxer, and If he got the talent he can just execute his gameplan without using every tool in the box. Mikkel just have a hard time with boxers who have speed and know when to clinch and fight on the inside, it just frustrates him.