Kessler is poison

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by THN, Jan 3, 2009.


  1. Jaaames

    Jaaames Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Kessler is better off coming to the states and starting off with a Codrington or even Sam Soliman.... Edison Miranda is a good name and with his antics, will draw interest....
     
  2. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    It would be a sad indictment of US boxing fans if Kessler would get more recognition for going to America and beating someone that Mundine beat twice than he did for going and beating Mundine in his hometown...
     
  3. Irish Steel

    Irish Steel Active Member Full Member

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    Miranda wouldnt be a waste of time, in fact, I think it would be a good fight!
     
  4. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just as Calzaghe retires Kessler is fast becoming ESB's most overrated, inexcusably defended, boxer. :think
     
  5. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If Kessler wants the big fights he has to grab it. Dawson was there at 175 - he should have taken this fight. Kessler is 30 (or ther abouts) and established enough now. Do you think Hatton wanted to go to Welter to fight Floyd, Pavlik to 170, Pacman to 143... oh but old Mikkel is a bigger name then all these guys... :roll:
     
  6. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Unless someone had a shotgun to their heads, then yes.

    Ultimately all boxers that are good enough to actually have the option take the fights that they believe represent the best risk/reward scenario for them at that point.
     
  7. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Do you think Haye would have got the Vit fight had he stayed at Cruiser? If fighters want the big fights they have to make sacrifices and take the risk.

    Someone like Kessler who holds little monetary pull, has been beaten clearly recently, and who's resume is somewhat lacking - can't go around calling the shots!

    He can beat Bika type charaters all day as far as I'm concerned but it's not going to prove anymore then we perhaps already know about him. Beating Hopkins would be a decent scalp, beating Dawson at 175 would be a big scalp... Kessler doesn't want it, he "doesn't want to risk it"...
     
  8. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Are we still talking about Kessler, who went to fight a top three P4P fighter in his own backyard?

    Haye certainly qualifies, going to Paris to face Mormeck, taking on Maccarinelli when he had no need to, then heading for heavyweight.

    Pavlik gets props for going up two weight divisions to fight Hopkins.

    Dawson? Come back when Dawson's done anything on that level...
     
  9. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Say what you like but I genuinely think that there are a few boxers out there who cast a cautious eye on Dawson... including some big names...

    Anyway at a guess I'd say Kessler needs Dawson, more then Dawson needs Kessler. If Dawson keeps going sooner or latter he will get big US money backing, that is never going to happen with Kessler unless he starts beating their best names over there. A good start would be beating Chad.
     
  10. Axe

    Axe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Link?

    And his promoter is saying something else, IF that is true.
     
  11. Typical ridiculous ESB ****. LOL.

    What an absurdity defending guys for NOT fighting other good fighters.

    Talk about the heart of a small bird.

    Kessler is in his physical prime and can only find bums to fight? He's the man at 168 and no one will fight him?

    HAHAHAHAHAHA!

    That's a joke.

    At 27 years of age, in his 34th fight, the 5' 11" rather average framed Roy Jones Jr. moved to LHW for essentially the rest of his career. [At almost 40 years he cut down to 170 for one fight.] Roy could have lived at 168 and gone 100-0 but recognized it was only fair when you are light years ahead of everyone else in talent to give away some size advantage and ply your trade where there is at least some kind of risk or challenge (i.e., larger, taller, or stronger opponents). Especially if you expect to be paid and make a living at it.

    Kessler, about to turn 30, with 42 fights, standing 6'1" with at a minimum the same frame as RJJ can't meet Chad Dawson at 175? Talk about rejecting the idea of "daring to be great".

    At least call out AA for a catchweight fight. I'd bet that AA would say "screw that catchweight bs, I'll fight you at 168. I'm about to move anyway because I'm just too well put together (even though I'm sort of short) to make 160 anymore at my age as I'm also approaching 30."

    On one hand, Chad Dawson is "only fighting old washed up fighters (Tarver, Johnson)" and is overrated and not as good as the 43 year old ex-middleweight champ BHOP and not on JC's level and on the other, Kessler will only fight at 170 or 172 instead of 175 and that argument is supposed to make sense? He keeps entering the ring against clowns and you guys want to defend him with absurd reasons why he really doesn't "look like a ****?"

    What kind of boxing aficionados are you? We complain when great fighters don't meet up during their careers and when they easily can you make excuses for why it is okay that they don't? :lol:

    I think Kessler has banked enuff dough at this point in his career (42 fights in) to not worry about damaging the brand so that he can't feed himself or his family.

    It is pretty apparent that the Calzaghe fight demonstrated where MK stands in the pantheon of fighters - pretty damn far from the front of the line.

    Recently there was a thread on GM. McClellan at 27 years of age and the middle weight champ, after KOing Julian Jackson, travels to the UK to fight Benn for the Super Middle Weight belt. No call for a "catchweight". McClellan was great. Kessler would need binoculars to see McClellan's ass in the line of great fighters between 160-175. If the greats were taking a trip, Kessler would be on bus #110 out of 110.


    One more thing, NO ONE, no young fighter should be calling out Bernard Hopkins. You can be happy to fight him, you can wish to fight him, but no one should be calling out a guy who will be 44 in a week. If he picks you that's great. But if not you say nothing. No great athlete in their prime should be so shockingly lacking in confidence that they think the best way to further their career is to try and catch an old man on the day he finally shows his age.
     
  12. Bodysnatcher

    Bodysnatcher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  13. :nut No doubt, man. Pretty damn weak.



    Re: Taylor


    :patsch

    JT is 30. I don't think he needs anymore time to cook.
     
  14. 1lehudson

    1lehudson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I dont agree with everything you said, but that is a damn good read and post.....:good
     
  15. TheH1tMan

    TheH1tMan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    When Hopkins started his adventures at MW did he then move up for the occasional fight - until after he had unified at MW?

    When Calzaghe stated his... time at SMW, did he then move up - until after he had unified at SMW?

    Kessler wants the same chance those guys got. To rule his own division without being ruined in the process from going up and down (we have seen enough fighters loose the edge when they come back down). Let's be fair and let's not treat Kessler so differently just because he comes from a small country.

    One more question - is Dawson a '****' for refusing to fight Kessler at 168 (or 170) which Kessler would love to do? Well, is he - or does your standards not go for Americans?