Kessler is poison

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All you have from Palle is a comment translated from Danish saying that they weren't interested in a match at 175lbs. So that's not contradictary.

 

I'll decline the BHOP/JC reply as to why that didn't happen as it would take too long and it's late (actually real early).

Then no Kessler fan should be dogging Chad Dawson. MK is not ready to move up is what you're saying now. That isn't what other MK fans on ESB are suggesting. They are saying he wants Bernard Hopkins - a man in his senior years who is campaigning at 170-175 - and suggesting BHOP is the reason the fight doesn't take place. So, MK will take a fight with Hop at 175 but CD must move down to a catchweight? So which is it? His fan's lips shout he's elite but the words suggest he's anything but.

And, you believe MK would be "ruined" if he took a fight at 175 instead of 168 when he weighs well above 175 when he's off? I think it would be worse for him to cut to 160 and challenge Abraham at middleweight.

It's not the size of the country it's the size of the man. lol Kessler fans say he's an elite fighter. Is there a different standard for fighters from small countries? Did they mean he's an elite Danish fighter only or solely? If so, then fine.

That is way off base dude. We don't want fighters looking to drop weight to make fights. We want them moving up to take on better challenges. Pros today are already using the weigh-in on the day before the fight to remain in lower divisions as long as possible to acquire an advantage over smaller fighters in the same division. Maybe Dawson could shoot for 160 and challenge Abraham or Pavlik. Or, why not 154. He'd be a corpse but **** he could aim for calling out Mayweather at 147. How about that? lol Think about what you're suggesting. Maybe Wlad should have gone on a complete liquid diet and challenged Haye at 200 and picked up a belt in another weight class. Wouldn't that be something? Pretty ridiculous huh?

Maybe Dawson could drop to 168. Hop apparently squeezed to 156 for the weigh-in with ODH. ODH got back to 144 after leaving that division a number of years ago. RJJ got back to 170 for Trinidad. But why? What would be the point for Dawson/Kessler. Surely Kessler walks around town well above 175. It would be a lot easier for him not to have to cut as much rather than ask Dawson to cut extra. Maybe you're more of a realist. Kessler's other proponents literally suggest that Dawson is a fraud who lost unequivocally to GJ, ducked AD, and couldn't lace JC's shoes. Right? If MK is so great then he can grab the bit and go for it. Don't ask other fighters to lose weight. It's not like Dawson is some fat ass.

 

i think there is some fear there too.
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What is it you are trying to say?. Please give you own comment on the subject.

 

:yep Like I said earlier in this thread, MK lacks the intestinal fortitude to take big risk. I challenge him to be great. Go out and fight a tough guy like Dawson. If he is so great, like his fans make him out to be, he should have no problem meeting a guy like Dawson at 175.

 

Mundine in Australia

Calzaghe in Wales.


Let Dawson take somewhere near any of those risks before calling one of them gutless and the other great.


This thread is beyond stupid.

Pavlik wants to stay at 160. Biggest fight there is Abraham. Not happening.Thats fine

Dawson wants to stay at 175. Biggest fight there is Calzaghe. Not happening. Thats fine.

Kessler wants to stay at 168. Biggest fight there is Taylor. Might happen. **** Kessler,he's gutless etc, etc.

Excellent. Give yourselves a round of applause for impartiality. And Newsflash for those saying the best way for a European to get an American in the ring is to go to the states and fight a name to get exposure. Abraham. He's further away from a fight with Pavlik than when he was staying put in Germany.

There is bigger fights for Kessler at 168, than there is for Pavlik and Dawson at their weight classes and Kessler is the one getting the **** thrown at him for wanting to stay put.

Dawson's team say they want Kessler at 175, thats fine,Chad's awesome.

Kessler's team say they want Dawson at 168, or a catchweight. thats BULL****, he is clearly a coward who is afraid of the big fights, forget about taking Calzaghe on in Wales, when he had a lot more to lose, thats easy compared to the mighty Chad.

 

Amazing post:good

Taylor needs to adjust to a new weight so he needs a fight or 2 to adjust. Meanwhile Kessler is slaughtered for not jumping up and down like a yoyo.

 

Great post. I agree with every word.

 

Great post. Couldnt have put it better myself.

 

:good This post should have been early in this tread.. alot of BS comments could have been avoided!

 

you sir, belong in the classic forum, your post is too articulate, too precise and simply makes too much sense :deal

 

Decent post, I like good rebuttals like this.

The thread starter is claiming that MK is so dangerous that nobody from the US wants him, yet, he has had atleast two chances to make his way here and show his talents, but for some reason decided to take easier fights at home.

Dawson has already challenged Calzaghe on his home turf, Joe doesnt want it.

Pavlik has wins over Taylor, a major player in the game. He also went up out of his weight class to chase the big fight because there werent any at the moment at 60.

Dawson has wins over Adamek (current cruiser champ), Tarver (to become LH champ) and Glenn Johnson. He has HBO's backing, he will get a big fight after Tarver, no doubt.

Kessler has wins over Andrade, Mundine, and was outclassed by Joe the great. He doesnt have many fans that know him in the US or the backing of HBO or a marquee win. He's not in a position to draw a big name on his terms. Im not saying its fair, but thats just how it is.

For MK to make a big name for himself in the US he will either have to wait until JT, Pavlik, AA, Froch, or Bute decide they want to fight him at 68, or he can make it happen by taking risk. At his age, I feel its a waste to sit back and wait. He should make the biggest fight he can in or around his weight, thus, he should have taken the Dawson fight when he had the chance.

 

The TS is stating that no-one full stop wants Kessler, while thats wrong, He is the Man at 168, and the rubbish that gets spouted about him ducking big names, or being a coward stay at home type fighter is blatantly wrong, he has taken a bigger risk before.

I Have no doubt that both Dawson and Taylor would fight him, but Dawson's team have been more than clear regarding the weight, as have Kessler's team in response, yet it's MK that get's all the stick, even though he was the only one to give any wiggle-room. Dawson shouldnt even be an option right now with depth that 168 has, Taylor is the one that needs to happen.

I still think Kessler-Taylor will happen, but only if HBO make it happen, not the respective teams of the fighters. Both fighters would take the fight, they have taken bigger risks before. It's up to HBO.


Dawson can say whatever he wants about Calzaghe, but he hasnt done enough to get him in the ring. He has as much argument for a fight as Froch does, and less than Johnson. It might be the fight that the fans want but it's not worth it for Calzaghe at the momment. Risk/Reward works both ways. How do rate Diaconu's chances of getting Calzaghe in the ring? Dawson's team wasting the first quarter of this year with the Tarver fight was a **** up. He should have been paid off, but HBO wanted a name for his debut on the channel. This is no fault of Calzaghe.


Ive never slated Pavlik, the opposite, but if the Abraham fight doesnt happen, even after Abraham doing all that was asked, it will be a major blot against his name, and would kill this fall-back argument that is made whenever a Euro wants a fight against an American name, of going stateside and putting yourself out there. Unless they add an asterix saying, Be good, but not that good.

Dawson has good wins, not good enough to get Calzaghe in the ring right now, he is barely known in the states, let alone here, Hence HBO's stance on it has to be a name he fought on his debut on the network, rather than his live mando Cloud.


Be serious. Leave a deep division like 168 for Dawson!??. Pav and AA have business elsewhere. It all comes down to Taylor, or infact HBO. They could easily stick Kessler-Taylor on in the states, and it would attract more intrest than Tarver-Dawson anyway. And if they had sense that should be the headliner with Dawson - Tarver on the undercard, which would give Dawson a platform both at home and abroad.

Any move away from 168 in it's current state will not lead to Kessler being praised. More likely we would here cries of how he ran from Taylor.

 

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