Kessler is poison

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  1. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    They didn't choose to take that fight 'instead of' a fight against Miranda.

    Sartison only came into the equation after (a) Kessler pulled out of the original mooted Miranda fight to enforce his status as mandatory to Mundine and (b) Miranda was then offered a shot at the vacant title but chose to stay with the fight against Abraham which he had negotiated by that point.

    Miranda was the preferred opponent for Kessler rather than Sartison.
     
  2. MrMagic

    MrMagic Loyal Member Full Member

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    Fact, Froch's team put an offer on TP's table and they declined. Even Mogens stated this so I guess I can trust the fact that they weren't interested in that fight?

    They've been chasing Taylor and Hopkins, fights that are not looking promising. Meanwhile, they've managed to turn down Miranda and Dawson blank.

    Who cares, Team Palle is a joke.. and they're making Kessler a big joke as we speak.
     
  3. LiamE

    LiamE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why would he avoid hypocrisy when it has been such a good companion to him all these years?
     
  4. oksehud

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    Kessler had just lost to Calzaghe, and wanted a bargaining chip (belt) fast, and the WBA belt got vacated by Mundine, who would rather move to MW than face Kessler again.
    Kessler got to fight for the belt, and (as said countless times before on this forum) Teampalle actually got Miranda ranked #2 with WBA to make the fight with him, but at that point Mirandas people was already in negotiations with Abraham, and they didn't trust Teampalle (no wonder), so they took the AA-fight.
    -And that left Teampalle with an urgent need to find a fighter for Kessler.
    At that point Sartison was ranked #4 at WBA and Häussler at #3.
    Teampalle made a deal to meet the unbeaten Sartison, who looked better for the fight than Häussler, who had already lost to two Danes (Larsen and Markussen), but had to agree on a mandatory defense against Häussler within 120 days of the Sartison fight.
    Teampalle tried to get out of the mandatory by A: paying Häusslers handlers, then B: calling it a mismatch, and tried to get the fight stopped for medical reasons, and finally when it became obvious that Kessler had to fight Häussler, C: losing the purse bid on purpose, to cut expenses at the least.

    But.....
    I agree with most posters here.
    If Kessler wants the big US-fights, he has to go the "Calzaghe route" and beat up some Lacys and Manfredos to get recognized.
    -And actually Bika would be an excellent choice. Known from The Contender and from schooling Manfredo, and Kessler has sparred with him in 2007 in preparation for the Andrade fight.

    -Long post, but I get tired of just reading "Why Sartison and Häussler" and "Kessler obviously ducked Miranda", and wanted to enlighten the crowd..
    :D:D:D
     
  5. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    some people might in the short term but in the long term kessler will fade away like felix sturm as a euro fighter who had a shot at the big time but let his promoter take that dream from him.

    it's uneducated and disrespectful to call a guy like taylor a "*****" - because maybe you forgot how he fought william joppy to EARN his shot at bernard hopkins.

    yes, kessler does have to play this game or he might not get his big fight.

    he is the best in the division, but at the moment he's doing everything in his power (or letting palle do it for him) to miss out on these big fights.

    there's no credibility fighting guys like sartisan and haussler. and if he keeps fighting euro b graders his chances are going to keep fading.
     
  6. THN

    THN Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So fighting Miranda or another clubfighter in US. will help him? :think
    Thats what you are blaming him for, doing so far :huh
     
  7. MrMagic

    MrMagic Loyal Member Full Member

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    Look what the destruction of Miranda did to Abraham?

    If you don't think that did more for him legacy- wise than a Sartison win, then you need to go hide under your rock again man, you're seriously stupid.
     
  8. Jan(DK)

    Jan(DK) Joined april 2007 Full Member

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    And some what convenience
     
  9. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If ur in a weight division & avoid the no.1 ranked guy people will say ur ducking. I'm not saying he's a ***** but if he ducks Kessler thats how its gonna look. Kesslers the man @ SMW. U have to beat the man 2 be the man.
     
  10. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    That was after he ran away from a match against Howard Eastman to earn a shot at Hopkins when he realised he'd have to apply for a passport, right?
     
  11. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    good post but do you think abraham beating miranda in the rematch did more good for him than kessler getting sartisan's paper belt?

    of course it did.

    to push that even further - abraham did it in the states this time while kessler, already building a solid rep from the calzaghe showing, fought sartisan half a world away and then fought another b grade figher to follow it up.....

    kessler's rep was healthier than abraham's post calzaghe and more people (beercan fans) knew who he was.

    but look how fast that has changed because of the recent fights they've taken....

    belts are leverage - but so is notoriety.

    kessler and abraham have a good reputation for being heavy handed, but the difference for me right now is abraham's promotional team having more faith and risking their fighter more.

    that could change if he loses - just like it did with team palle.
     
  12. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    firsty, it's cowardly to label any fighter that. you've just shown me you don't and probably never have fought.

    secondly, did you seriously just say that running away from howard eastman into a hopkins fight is a negative?
     
  13. BADINTENTIONS2

    BADINTENTIONS2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    or you comparing miranda the 'club fighter' to sartisan and haussler?
     
  14. cdsimple

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    I dont completey agree that Kessler is "the man" at smw. Calzaghe was the guy, he bet Kessler and left. Kessler hasnt proved S***.

    Dont get me wrong, hes at the top, but what makes him better than say Bute, JT, or Froch even? Certainly not resume. Certainly not the belt, look who he beat to get it.

    IMO, the smw division is full of great talent, with a handful of guys at the top, but there is no clear cut dominant champ. The champ will be determined when these guys start making the fights.
     
  15. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Kessler clearly wnts 2 fight a big name American but JT don't seem 2 want it