Kessler v Bute

I'm not sure, they can both improve. Bute needs a lot more refinement, infact I don't like the way he is fighting at all. Kessler could definitely improve on variety.

 

Kessler has more power than Bute, don't let these fools kid you. Kessler's power is accumulative, above average. Bute's power is very average for a man his size.

I can discuss this at length.

Kessler's power is more like Pavlik's, with different styles. They'd tell you Pavlik hits much harder, yet he grinds opponents down, not like Abraham, who hits way harder than both. Even against the punching bag Lockett, whom had been down twice against domestic comp, Pavlik had to land over 100 damaging blows and the fight was stopped on the towel being thrown in, though it'd have ended.

Wasn't a KTFO, Abraham on the other hand didn't grind down Miranda either, he had him out essentially on his feet from that single right counter.

Now you all are telling me Kessler hits with less power than Pavlik? It's the same if anything, with Kessler probably harder due to being a naturally larger man(not height, but thickness).

Bute on the other hand hits about as hard as Robert Stieglitz.

 

All I can say is - get the fight on! Kessler will win and im 100% sure.

Even if Bute gets his defence straight and improves overall he wont be able to beat Kessler before Kessler becomes a lesser fighter - because of styles.

 

Somewhat surprised to see how the Kessler fans (Danes + other Scandinavians) are turning nasty. I remember when Kessler was fighting Calzaghe, with Calzaghe the clear favourite, how Kessler fans were bullied by arrogant Calzaghe fans. It wasn't nice!:-(

Now, that Kessler v. Bute is potentially on the horizon, Kessler fans get nasty, arrogant and start throwing their weight around...

...not nice...very disappoiting given that Bute fans have been the biggest Kessler fans since forever and not just since Calzaghe beat him...

:-( :verysad :-( :verysad :-(

...instead of wanting Bute to do well so that a victory against him means something, you Danes want him to lose/get worse/fail to improve, just so that Kessler has no competition...

...sad...:verysad

 

Bute is a better finisher and has better combos. Forget about the jab, Calzaghe has taught us how a southpaw can annihilate Kessler's jab. And without his jab, Kessler is nothing. About Bute's trainer, don't worry, he said a couple months ago that Bute, who was agressive at the beginning of his career, has became more of a dancer. But he also said it may change back in the future. I honestly think Bute has a more complete arsenal than Kessler and is able to adjust better in a ring. In that department, Kessler was awful against Kessler.

 

That's why I said 'on their best night', I agree with Kessler fans that Kessler was not 100% against Calzaghe, but I also feel he'd have lost in the same way, maybe a point or two closer.

But, the variety comes from Kessler at his best, such as against Andrade. Kessler threw and landed 4-5 shot pin point combo's and landed many uppercuts, also showed solid inside work. What more do they want?

He's got more variation than Pavlik and Bute if people would just watch, but does tend to stick with the 1-2 if he's tooling the opponent with it, because his 1-2 is so great, it's hard for everyone to avoid, even a phenomenal fighter like Joe could not avoid the 1-2 and the uppercut due to Kessler's speed and timing, having to adjust mid-fight to nullify that, which he also did against Hopkins, whom still has very good timing, but diminshed other attributes.

Now I'm saying Kessler at 100%, is as good as he'll get, he's 29, he's a great, great boxer-puncher stylist who's very fluid with his work(I guess these morons like off balance, sloppy Pavlik's in comparison to precise work)and he's excellent, there is no room for improvements really, only USING all of his arsenal, meaning at 100%.

Bute as well.

But it'll all work out for Kessler fans, as I am, he won me over with his attitude and performances against Andrade and Calzaghe and I like watching him, because nobody else is going to defeat him if he's well around the weight.

There's a trend with Kessler fights, if he controls the pace and rythym(he's excellent at this), the opponents barely win a single round or two, now who else at 160-175 besides Calzaghe are rythym disruptors? None.

Bute loses almost every round and gets brutalised, possibly stopped, he's too standard of a guy to box with Mikkel, IMO.

And fellas, Bute's not even going to get past Andrade most likely, so this is all just fun talk.

 

Kessler was awful against Kessler, its hard to defend and punch at the same time :-(

Completely missed the point regarding jabs too. Bute doesn't give any of the angles, footwork, or speed of Calzaghe. Nor the ring generalship.

 

Well - Im not sure about that one - but I do think that both Bute and Kessler hits as hard as Pavlik.

I am fooled, I guess. Kessler seems to have the better punch in his straight right.

 

Astola/TFFP and others are being nasty, or are we talking about the Danes who pop in just for Kessler talk?

I don't see much of it.

And if you want to get technical, Quebecwarrior is one of the rudest and most moronic posters on the site who lacks any objectivity. The posts I have made in the thread have been from a neutral stand point, at least I feel so, especially about power comparisons.

 

How do you see him looking against Hopkins?

 

And I definitely havn't been nasty!

I just don't like the way he fights right now, but I don't blame him, somebody must be making him fight this way. I also want him to beat Andrade, who I also quite like, so thats that theory down the toilet :yep

 

The only fighter you dislike more than Bute is Taylor. We both know that. For you, it's personal, not just to do with Bute. You know what I mean.

 

Look, Abraham is without a doubt the hardest 1 shot hitter in the MW-SMW region, that guy has concrete for punches, nobody else literally puts opponents out to where they have to be revived, they just grind them down with hard accumulation, this is what Pavlik does, what Bute CAN do and what Kessler does, hard precision work grinds the opposition down.

Pavlik produces the more stoppages recently, because he's fought opposition with bad defence, that plays right into his suffocating workrate style, his 1 punch power is good, but it's the damage in accumulation.

Kessler boxes more, launching precision work instead of specifically grinding guys down with non-stop hard shots. I don't think Pavlik hits any harder, it's not like Kessler has not rocked the hell out of guys with good chins with firm right hands, just as Pavlik did with Taylor in both fights.

Plus, Kessler and Bute are larger men, Pavlik is tall, but lanky and weighs in at 170 or so on fight night. Kessler and Bute sometimes weigh in the mid-180's, they are thicker guys.

 

I don't dislike Bute, I don't like him either. He doesn't matter to me and I can discuss him from a neutral stand point.

Taylor I don't care about either, that was mostly fun and games last year for effect, I don't really hate the guy, everyone just takes everything seriously naturally and falls into it when some posters want to have a bit of fun.

Lately, I've discussed everything impartially, it's just good boxing discussion.