Kessler v Ward

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by ocelot, Jan 1, 2011.


  1. ocelot

    ocelot Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ward took Kessler to school, for sure. But Kessler hadn't been in a real fight since Calzaghe, two years earlier. He'd been inactive, trying to escape from his garbage promoter, and fought 'cans' for two years after November of 2007. Were those two years the deciding factor in Kessler v Ward? Or would Ward beat any version of Kessler?
     
  2. David Fanning

    David Fanning Internet Tuff Guy Full Member

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    People are never going to let this one go. So many couldn't have been more wrong, however you try to spin it. Andre Ward made a fool out of a lot of people, especially Kessler, as he would any version of Kessler. What factors could those two years possibly decide? Very confused as opposed to very, very confused?
     
  3. ocelot

    ocelot Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "People are never going to let this one go." Starting with you, I would say. You're the only one to respond to the thread. lmao. Two years in a wasteland are two years. Kessler clearly was not the same fighter (even against Froch) as he was in 2007. No point made in the thread, just curious to see differing opinions .
     
  4. Gregory

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    IMO Kessler is a better boxer of the two and it's a pity it had to go down like that. Ward used his head and dirty tactics all night long. They should have fight in a neutral place like London or NY. Kessler in his prime beats Ward anywhere but faded version couldn't beat Ward in Oakland.
     
  5. Suga

    Suga Boxing Addict Full Member

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    True that Kessler faded a lot since the Calzaghe fight. Ward could probably have won the fight without his dirty tactics, but unfortunately he didnt. Wards win is 50 percent skill and 50 percent cheating in his fight against Kessler. If Ward (without his dirty tactics) fought a prime Kessler he would have gotten beat, although I would say that a cheating Ward beats any version of him.
     
  6. Taylex

    Taylex Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Kessler underestimated Ward and did not prepare properly for the fight and definitely fighting cans for two years softened him up. Calzaghe had already laid out a blueprint to beat Kessler and Ward was clearly exploiting his weaknesses.

    However, the fact that Ward is rated a top p4p fighter and rated the best SMW by some people is absurd when you consider the resume of Froch and Bute.
     
  7. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Nope. Ward is versatile enough and slick enough with angles that he is simply all wrong for Kessler.

    Kessler's style is very effective against most people, but guys who can neutralize his strengths (and Calzaghe and Ward did this differently in their approach but each was equally as effective in the end) can tame him and frustrate him.

    Ward and Calzaghe are not only both tremendous athletes who confused Kessler (in various different ways) with their ability to move and show angles.

    Fortunately for Kessler, it takes a special versatile fighter who has the skills and intelligence to throw him off his game.

    But Ward and Calzaghe are both simply a cut above Kessler.

    To me, that is all there really is to it.

    :smoke
     
  8. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Spot-on dude.

    The hate Ward receives on these boards is laughable, but that only illustrates the reality that Ward is beginning to cross a threshold of stardom. Every BIG fighter has legions of fans and haters. It's the combination of the two that make a fighter popular.

    Ward's haters are growing by the fight. :lol:

    He may never be as big as Pacquiao or a Mayweather or one of those caliber guys, but he should surpass the point where Bernard Hopkins was for a long long period his career.

    Andre Ward truly is (and I believe I coined this phrase "On the Ropes" not long after the Kessler fight) a fighter who reminds me of "a younger version of an older Bernard Hopkins".

    What people don't realize is that there is a strong likelihood Ward will not be beat for a very long time.

    Now of course, this is boxing and anything can happen.

    But I believe Ward is going to be an elite level talent for many years to come.

    I am very much hoping we get a Froch-Ward Finals. That will be SO ****ING GOOD for boxing!
    :smoke
     
  9. Taylex

    Taylex Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I doubt Ward is going to be a huge star. He is a good boxer but does not have the kind of style that is conducive to exciting fights (so your comparison to BHOP was correct in that regard) and he does not have charisma.

    It is fair to say he is ovvverated at the moment.
     
  10. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Kesslers limitations were exposed by Calzaghe. Kessler never looked the same from then on, like Calzaghe stole alot of his confidence especially in the later rounds.
    Ward does deserve some credit for his victory over Kessler, but the nature of the win and the praise has gone completely over the top, and America is trying to compare one win against a past prime Calzaghe, which is ridiculous, but i guess it is the only way certain narrow minded people can come to terms with the fact that Calzaghe beat America best SMWs along with Hopkins and Jones. The scoring for the two fights was similar.
    Where it goes overboard is that Ward beat an unwell fighter in Kessler, Calzaghe didnt.
    Ward used illegal headbutts at will which wasnt stopped.
    Ward didnt beat Kessler when he was a prime undefeated fighter coming off of his big wins and full of confidence.

    It was a good win for Ward, but soured by how dirty he fought, without question
     
  11. BatTheMan

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    After the Perdomo fight, Kessler took on a promotional tour in Denmark, then trained a little in Denmark before going to the US to spar for 2 weeks or so. No question Kessler, like many others, underestimated Ward.

    On top of that we now know that Kessler's eyeproblems started in the preparations for Ward.

    Finally Ward got away with headbutting Kessler's face into smithereens. This meant that Kessler from about round 3 or 4 complained to his corner about being unable to see, hence the alarming ease with which Ward could catch Kessler with the right and hence Kessler for the first time being unable to use his jab effectively.

    It is what it is though and the bottomline is that Kessler lost. Big.
     
  12. BatTheMan

    BatTheMan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Both beat an unwell Kessler. Kessler didn't spar the last 2 weeks for Calzaghe due to an injured right hand so he went into the fight injured and underprepared yet he still gave Calzaghe his toughest fight.
     
  13. Beouche

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    Kessler pre Calzaghe and Kessler post Calzaghe were two completely different machines

    Calzaghe ruined Kessler like he did Lacy, shattered his confidence

    Add on to that the 2 year lay off

    The fighter you ended up with was still good enough to match Froch, but Wards on a different level

    Prime Kessler vs Ward would have been awesome and REALLY tested how good Ward was, something no 168lber around today can do
     
  14. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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  15. BatTheMan

    BatTheMan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Does it matter? I just stated facts. Not opinions other than the toughest fight bit which is Calzaghes own words and I think the opinion of most people.