Kessler vs. Mundine highlight.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Amsterdam, Mar 21, 2008.


  1. Jepster

    Jepster Almost Audleysome Full Member

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    I agree it's a waste though cause he had potential.
     
  2. JustinD

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    Mundine not a hard puncher? you really don't know that much about him if thats what you think, He'd beat Edison very easily...
     
  3. TFFP

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    Mikkel is really an excellent technical boxer, I don't know how people can call him slow and predictable :?

    Mundine is sometimes hard to take seriously when you consider he got KO'd by Sven ****ing Ottke, and the bum of the month circuit he's been on, but when you analyse he is actually very good. Good speed of hand and foot, enough pop to keep you honest. I don't see how he loses to Pavlik/Taylor if he performs at that level :?
     
  4. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    That was impressive stuff by both men. I think I agree with your assessment. Never really given it much thought before, aside from a Pavlik/Kessler matchup. Mundine clearly has skills, but his chin concerns me against a good puncher. It's not out of the realm of possibility that he gets tagged with something big from any of those guys, though he'd likely outbox them all.
     
  5. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Kessler and Mundine are so much more athletic than Pavlik and Miranda. They display better defensive awareness, timing, and technical skills. Their footwork is better, too. The thing that really separates Kessler and Mundine is their mental strength and consistency.

    Pavlik is a basic, but highly effective fighter. There aren't many subtle aspects to his game. What you see is what you get: a tall, strong, determined, powerful fighter who pressures behind the jab and looks to get opponents backed up into the ropes where he can sit down on his punches. His punch variety is good - right up there will Kessler and Mundine. However, he is leaky defensively, has little variation in his movement, and isn't fast on his feet, making him vulnerable against better boxers who give lateral movement or in-and-out movement. I'd say he falls a little bit short of elite because of his more noticable flaws.

    Miranda is a tough slugger who wont get any better. He's one of those guys who will give everything he has, but wont be able to beat the best of the best in any weight class he's in. I expect to see him as a stable on ESPN2 after he loses to Kessler.
     
  6. sparta

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    you seriously think calzaghe is quicker than mundine,man thats a big call ,id have calzaghe at no 2.mundine no 1. calzaghe is fast ,but choc is lightning when he decides to actually throw them ,he just doesnt throw enough punches ,so u dont get to view his speed that often ,only in **** poor spurts .kessler was calzaghes toughest opponent as the fight showed,when calzaghe beats bernard,those guys can then compare kesslers ability.:yep
     
  7. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    I often cite the Mundine fight as an example of Kessler's dominance over top talent. :good

    I watched Pavlik-Miranda once, and it barely kept my interest the first time. No thank you to a re-view. :barf
     
  8. ozziebattler

    ozziebattler Shadow Boxer Full Member

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    Classy individuals in boxing??

    A sport where the aim is to try knock your opponent out using your fists.


    Im sure boxing isnt the hot topic at your countryclub..
     
  9. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Why does everyone forget that Miranda allowed Banks to win the first 2 rounds against him and struggled with Porras?

    Mundine's a big step up from that, he's a B+ fighter at his best.
     
  10. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Can't speak for his latest opposition, that's a joke, but he's been in with top opposition overall, thrown in with the wolves early, this had an affect on him.

    I wish they'd have just let him get 20 wins and then step up, he'd have been an even better fighter.
     
  11. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Kessler vs. Siaca 6th and 7th rounds -

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    The whole fight was this way, brutal schooling, again check out Kessler's defence and timing/handspeed, ****ing brutal.

    This is also before Kessler improved his punch variety, which has been seen in action since the Mundine fight, seen well against Calzaghe and especially poor Librado Andrade.:yep
     
  12. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    Kessler's reminds me somewhat of Carlos Monzon, in the sense that he is somewhat basic and sticks primarily to the fundamentals, but is brutally effective. He's got that amazing timing, great jab, and right hand. Monzon had better timing and was far more proven, while Kessler is more athletic and quicker of hand.

    Am I stretching it though, Amsterdam?
     
  13. Sweet Pea

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    As a fighter, the similarities are relevant if you're considering a matchup between the two at 168. At MW though, one of Monzon's greatest assets was his size and ability to incorporate his height and reach with his timing, which is what seperates him from a guy like Kessler at SMW, who holds none of these advantages.
     
  14. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Not really, it's difficult to 'get away' with comparing a highly accomplished legend to a guy who's still proving himself, but those are some real similiarities.

    Give Monzon also a durability point over Kessler, maybe a serious one.

    But they both stick behind a jab and stick fight very similiar with subtle body movement and great guards for defence and they offensively punish an opponent with brutal timed shots that are not KO punches per say, but are heavy.

    In comparison also, Kessler throws at a higher workrate generally and if you'll notice the difference between the Siaca fight(where he was really pulling the Monzon 'picking your bombs' type of effect) and the Andrade, Mundine, Lucas and Calzaghe fights where he varied his punches better and threw some good combinations, he's then moving more towards a Monzon-ish typical stand up boxer with more fluidity.

    Monzon is more tricky to fight than Kessler because he's more awkward, but they both seem to be great at controlling fights, except against Calzaghe of course, though Monzon never fought a guy who specialises in utterly making a fight a high paced, awkward, all over the ring throwdown like Calzaghe does.

    The more I watch Kessler, the more I see him matching up very well with a prime Hopkins even. I pick Monzon over Hopkins in a very wide decision, prime for prime, in that regard.

    I also pick Monzon over Hagler, though I'm completely certain Hagler would break down and stop Kessler in a prime to prime match up, which is why I noted above that you have to give Monzon the durability factor over Kessler quite a bit probably.

    Please note that I use the 15 round fight when discussing 70's and 80's greats in fantasy match ups against moderners and my Kessler/Hopkins comparison is a 12.
     
  15. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Ironic enough, Monzon KTFO Mundine's father Tony Mundine in one of his title defences.:yep