Kessler vs Roy Jones Jnr

explain how Jones is shot? please......

what part of " he went to HW ...won a title, dropped back down to LHW and his body wasnt the same" dont u understand? to call him shot is silly....fighters get KO'ed....its part of the sport but to call him shot is just silly:huh

Jones may not be as fast as he was in his prime but smarts win fights......and I believe that RJJ has a higher boxing IQ and has more tools in his boxing bag of tricks than Kessler does.....U guys make seem Kessler is gonna get in the ring and bulldoze RJJ....he knows what RJJ is capable of doing.....Kessler is a 1 dimensional power puncher....Roys hand speed has not left by the way and his defense is much tighter:deal ROY is stronger and more skilled....Kessler is a rock'em sock'em robot:good

 

You have no idea how to call a fight. Have no idea how to judge a fighter and basically dont have a clue.

Prime-Prime Roy beats Kessler pretty easily.

Now Kessler by mid round TKO.:barf

 

Shot in the sense that he no longer has the bounce in his legs which enabled him to jump in and out of spots quickly and throw from so many angles. He's also lost most of his incredible reflexes which enabled him to avoid punches. He can no longer avoid punches like he used to. He's also lost some of his stamina as he can only fight in spurts. When you combine all of that, he is "shot" to some extent.

But he can still put together combinations with the best of them and it's fun to watch but he's lost so many other things. And i'm a huge fan of him.

 

No, he's not.

A perfect example of a 1 dimensional power puncher is Edison Miranda. Or better yet, a 170 pound Felix Trinidad.

Kessler is an educated, textbook boxer with an impeccable sense of distance and masterful timing. He doesn't throw KO punches, but rather heavy handed punches that wear guys down.

 

I'm surprised you're not even giving him a chance :huh

Do you REALLY think Kessler is that good or that Jones is terrible at this stage?

IMO Kessler isnt that good and Jones is not as washed up as some think.

 

He's slower. His reactions are faded. His energy levels are much poorer.
Tarver wasn't the only fighter to ko him. Johnson battered him for 9 rounds. Do you think a prime Jones would've got that treatment?
No. He'd of toyed with Johnson.
You can only use the weight fluctuation excuse/reason once. Do you honestly believe he's still suffering from that?
Kessler isn't one dimensional, if you truly believe that then you dont know how to analiyze a fighter correctly. Or you've barely watched him.

 

As evidensed in the JC fight? He looked lost in the ring that night

 

I predicted that Calzaghe would beat Kessler by a wide decision. His akward, swarming, fast pace style took Kessler out of his comfort zone. Jones doesn't bring the same things to the table that a current Calzaghe does.

 

I do believe that the drop in weight permanently messed with his body. He was 200 lbs of pure muscle. Most guys never get that big and drop back down. And that is different from being 200 lbs of excess and just having to lose the excess stuff. Who knows how losing all that muscle affects a guy at his age? RJJ was different since he went back down. I don't think anyone can deny that.

 

If you made fighters stand on the spot move their body and punch then Roy would be among the p4p best right now because of his handspeed. But he has no legs.

So is a mixture of Kessler being very good and Roy having no legs that would lead to Roy getting KO'd.

:-(

 

I dont know about that. He is still faster and throws more poweful punches than Calzaghe even at this stage. His handspeed has not left him. His legs have, but not handspeed.

 

and this was all in the year after he dropped down from HW:deal

 

Thats fair enough.I hadn't thought of it like that. I suppose if you combine that with an ageing body you get the Jones of today.
The end result is a guy who should stick to fighting guys like Beyer and not messing with prime fighters like Kessler.

 

Powerful punches don't mean much unless he can consistently throw them. He doesn't swarm guys the way Calzaghe does. He stands at midrange looking to counter here and there and explode for a few seconds and flurry. The fact that his reflexes have eroded him and he simply puts his hands up in a high guard mean he'd be a perfect target for Kessler's jab.

 

Yeah but he's looked **** recently as well.