kessler wins tourament without a loss,the rest are just fighting for second place imo

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  1. mckay_89

    mckay_89 Haw you! Full Member

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    :lol: Jermain Taylor is most certainly a better fighter than those guys and if Pascal manages a couple of decent defences he is definitely ahead of them as well. I'm not saying Froch is better than Kessler but how on earth you can say that Mundine (KO'd by Ottke and widely considered as a joke), Beyer (ancient when Kessler fought him), Lucas (nobody) and the very limited Andrade are better than two quality operators in Taylor and Pascal is beyond me.
     
  2. jgorst05

    jgorst05 Active Member Full Member

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    so how exactly is this gonna work out? Who do the winners of the first 3 fights face and what happens to the losers?
     
  3. JoeAverage

    JoeAverage Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Taylor is a better win than any of Kessler's wins. Let's be fair.

    Pascal is about the level of Lucas and Beyer, but Beyer was a better win because Beyer ranks much higher all-time than Pascal does. Perhaps Pascal will get there - who knows, but at the time Beyer was long reigning WBC champion.

    Mundine is far more skilled than Pascal, but you never know if he could handle the pressure from Pascal. I think it is a 50-50 fight.

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    Kessler is ranked as the front man in the division by the Ring and most people, so obviously he will be the favorite in many fights. However, he is really the very SLIGHT favorite and anything can happen. He has to fight abroad, and there goes his role as favorite - that is how close they are on paper (and probably closer in reality).

    Anything.. Anything at all can happen between these six.
     
  4. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    There are three types of fans in here.

    A: The Resume Supporter who believe what you have on your resume is worth more than how you're performed.

    B: The patriot who will support their countryman no matter what.

    And we're about to have

    C: The informed logical opinion.

    Kessler will not lose to Ward, Froch, Dirrell. You don't need to worry about the resume of a fighter to work these fights out.

    Ward is known to have a shaky set of whiskers, has not been tested, let alone against a guy who rates as one of the more precise accurate punchers in the division. Say what you want about Mundine, at the time he fought Kessler, he was a very live challenger, he was MUCH faster than Ward and Dirrell yet Kessler time and time again was able to find him with his shots.

    Dirrell is much too defensively focused, while that works against guys who will barrel on in trying to creature pressure ala Andrade - it will not work against guys who can fight from a distance and who have enough power to knock out most fighters in the divison.

    Froch is just not skilled enough to get to Kessler. Kessler doesn't have the late round stamina issue of Taylor, it just won't even be close, I picture Kessler winning every round here on route to a boring victory.

    Taylor is an interesting case. I could see him beating Kessler. I honestly think Taylor is the most talented guy fighting between 160-175 if we exclude Bernard Hopkins. The problem is that he seems to be confused on what to do in the ring and he seems to lack the composure required to last the 12 rounds. If he gets his **** together, I could see him making this tournament his own.

    Abraham is interesting because he's a guy who finds ways to win, fights in patches but has proven power in both hands and a defense that is hard to get through, I do expect Kessler to win solely because I don't think Abraham can win 7 rounds against him

    Why is Kessler rated? His resume for the first 30 fights in his career was utter garbage, the worst of the worst, but he faced a number of Ring #10 competitors before the Calzaghe fight and even after the Calzaghe fight, Hausler and Sartison aren't as bad as some would have you believe.

    The most funny thing though, is people still believing Calzaghe has done nothing. The fact that 168 has been European dominated for all those years is exactly why people have this opinion - cause the two American guys they got to face Calzaghe while in their primes (Mitchell and Lacy) got absolutely spanked.
     
  5. mckay_89

    mckay_89 Haw you! Full Member

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    You got Welsh blood in you? Cause every single one of your posts turns into a you riding Calzaghe's dick session.
     
  6. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    As long as Kessler hasn't been jaded from his lay-off, he's got all the tools to dismantle this pack of chumps. :yep
     
  7. JJ

    JJ Active Member Full Member

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    First odds that i have seen (william hill)

    Super Six Boxing Classic - Outright 10 Oct 09

    Carl Froch 7/4
    Mikkel Kessler 11/4
    Arthur Abraham 7/2
    Jermain Taylor 5/1
    Andre Ward 10/1
    Andre Dirrell 14/1

    Carl Froch 2.75
    Mikkel Kessler 3.75
    Arthur Abraham 4.50
    Jermain Taylor 6.00
    Andre Ward 11.00
    Andre Dirrell 15.00

    Carl Froch +175
    Mikkel Kessler +275
    Arthur Abraham +350
    Jermain Taylor +500
    Andre Ward +1000
    Andre Dirrell +1400
     
  8. treva1977

    treva1977 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i am backing kessler to win all his fights anyway so if anyone wants to take an avatar bet on any of his fights i am up for it.....any takers on the ward fight.....roll up roll up,one months avatar bet of the winners choice.
     
  9. Serenata

    Serenata Fit und geimpft Full Member

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    I agree that Taylor is a very good win (Froch got lucky to win that fight) but looking at the complete resume and summing ist up Kessler is better than Froch. But Froch has the potential to reach that in the future especially if he wins the tournament.

    BTW: The Taylor thing is kind of funny depending on who you ask. One says that he is one of the best and others say that he honstly lost both fights with Hopkins and is/was the king of gift decisions (untill he faced Pavlik)....
     
  10. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ridiculous statement based on the fact that Kessler is one of the four experienced former/current World Champions and there are no common facts to compare these with -Kessler beat Beyer but there's nothing to compare that former SMW Champ with former MW Champions Taylor and Abraham... There's no way to compare one to another exception made for Froch and Taylor between them, and both AA and Ward beat Miranda. So let's say Froch is one of the favourites and AA is stronger than Ward but where does that leave the others? I'm sorry but it's clueless and as such, not acceptable.

    Kessler has one professional defeat and good/better experience to take the pressure and execute against the likes of Dirrell, Ward and maybe AA... That's all there is to it. Mikkel can even lose by shutout against Dirrel if he proves to be much inferior technically and much slower, less flashy.
     
  11. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Mainly because every single thread, there is a jackass decrying Calzaghe. But get your facts right, apparently I'm a Klitschko nut hugger, oh, not to mention Floyd Mayweather nut hugger, oh yes, and Manny Pac too.
     
  12. PeterNielsen70

    PeterNielsen70 Active Member Full Member

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    Kessler vs Ward could be the final...

    Taylor will outbox Abraham...(AA is way too inactive in his fights - hiding
    behind his doubleguard...AA will be exposed in this tournament).

    Froch vs Dirrell ? (Froch can't box, but has good power - Direll
    is still upcoming...)
     
  13. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    Kessler is built off a Calzaghe win.
    Inactivity & severe overrating will lead to an early exit for him.
    (If not, Good... I do want the butt buddy's Froch & Kessler to go at it...) (No Homo)
     
  14. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    The World Boxing Classic will erase more zeros than Black Monday.