kesslers got something on the line saturday night

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  1. van the man

    van the man Active Member Full Member

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    dosnt kesslers us value depend a litle bit on joe winning against bhop,
    and the more convinsing the better?
     
  2. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    If Hopkins wins more than 4 rounds, Kessler was overrated, big time.

    If Hopkins makes it a close fight, whether he wins or loses, both Calzaghe and Kessler were overrated.
     
  3. JS63518

    JS63518 Member Full Member

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    What a load of bollocks
     
  4. MancMexican

    MancMexican Blood & Guts Forever Full Member

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    I tend to agree with you a lot, and I know your reasoning for this opinion, but I think you're very wrong. Hopkins is better at 175 at 43 than he was at 160 a few years back.
     
  5. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Yeah, but Calzaghe should be better at 175 than at 168 a couple of months ago...because he has more power. Granted, Hopkins' style is perfect to upset Calzaghe...but he doesn't have the workrate stamina anymore. This is why I say what I say. Kessler was a prime guy at his very peak, if a bit inexperienced. There's only so much that experience can overcome, when you're fighting another experienced but faster, fitter guy...no?

    Despite what everyone says, Calzaghe - yeah, he is a bit slower and his reflexes are not as great as they were a couple of years ago - is very much close to the best he's ever been, as a complete package. Experience and confidence wise, he's better than ever after Kessler - his legacy defining fight. This is not a past it, faded Calzaghe we'll be seeing. Let's not forget that.
     
  6. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mate, where were you this Saturday when Glen Johnson and Antonio Tarver were in action... two elite fighters who barely won a round vs. Hopkins, one of them is even bigger and was considered as stronger than Hopkins...

    Hopkins makes fighters look bad especially pure boxers like Winky Wright. But making them looks shot (Tarver, Winky) and being shot is two different thing. Tarver has proved this Saturday he's not shot and I have the feeling that the vast majority of boxing would be stunned when Winky schools Kelly Pavlik. The majority would be stunned, some knew all along that Winky wasn't bad just Hopkins made him look bad and one would be rich. Me that is! :lol:
     
  7. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I personally think Kessler was a tad overrated, anyway.

    But no matter what happens this Saturday, I doubt it will reflect poorly on him. He controls his own destiny.
     
  8. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Of course he'll make Calzaghe look bad; but you can look bad and still win the round, properly scored. Not least, whatever style advantage Hopkins has over Calzaghe, that is diluted by the fact that Calzaghe is very versatile and responsive. If Calzaghe is made to look too bad, it's his own fault, as he admitted himself. This is Calzaghe's fight to lose. If he does, you cannot put it down to inexperience - Calzaghe's seen it all, including a Bika-style fighter. If he hasn't learned from that...well, I guess we all overrated Calzaghe.

    I'm not too worried though. Let's wait and see.
     
  9. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's some ol' bull ****.:verysad
     
  10. Smith

    Smith Monzon-like Full Member

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    Complete and utter bollox Decebal, im dissapointed in you. Like you should know, you cant judge one fighter off of another foes other fight. Boxing doesn't work like that.


    Jeez.
     
  11. MancMexican

    MancMexican Blood & Guts Forever Full Member

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    No :deal
     
  12. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree, because even if he wins, Hopkins will be 'old' according to US and other delusional fans. It's funny because last Saturday they HAD to think about how Hopkins kicked Johnson's and Tarver's ass... but they are still going to explain why Hopkins will lose (if he will lose) and not WHY Calzaghe WINS. Remember: before the Lacy fight, according to 99%, even the ones who are saying it otherwise now, Lacy was the new Tyson, the guy more than a left hook - left hook, right hand, stunning uppercut, great power - and when got dominated like few fighters ever... Calzaghe was still slapper and Lacy just an overrated bum according to most. :rofl :rofl :rofl

    C'mon, Decebal, say you are just joking.

    Calzaghe has NEVER EVER faced someone on the skill level of Hopkins. EVER. Kessler was a great win and he's great talent but DAMN FAR from Hopkins. Yep, styles make fights, and yep, both Bika and Hopkins has a bad style for Joe. But that does not mean that if he can beat Bika he can beat Hopkins or what are you saying?

    Compare Bika to Hopkins is like comparing Urkal to Mayweather. Both have good defense and good skills but do you believe that Cotto's gonna defeat Floyd BECAUSE he's defeated another technician in Urkal?
     
  13. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Was only comparing Bika to Hopkins to the extent that Bika taught Calzaghe a big lesson in dealing with the unexpected and not losing your head - good experience when it comes to fighting Hopkins.
     
  14. VIP

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    Yea...it shouldn't reflect poorly on Kessler. Bernard Hopkins is afterall a living legend :smoke
     
  15. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Okay... but your "losing x rounds vs. Hopkins makes x y and z overrated" logic is completely false. No one incl. Taylor have ever won more than 7 rounds vs. Hopkins since Jones, who's won 8. So you are saying if Calzaghe's doing better than Taylor (who never really won 7 rounds/fight according to most) and winning the same number of rounds as Jones Calzaghe and Kessler is overrated? How about Winky? Oh yeah, that doesn't count since he moved up in weight... But wait! The last time I've checked Calzaghe was a SMW so it means he's moving up in weight! And the last time someone moved up from MW to LHW, he kicked the LHW champ's ass. That was Hopkins as well! So don't come with Winky's being a little MW when a little MW kicked Tarver's ass and Calzaghe is a fighter himself moving up in weight.

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