kesslers got something on the line saturday night

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  1. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Calzaghe is a big SMW who's ideal fighting weight is 175. That's where he brings more power too.

    Hopkins is a natural MW who has made a great transition up to LHW.

    Tarver was coming off a film set, had to lose a lot of weight fast and gave a poor performance. His performance last weekend was better, but you could still see how faded and unfit he was, even much better prepared.

    Calzaghe is very experienced, has a very versatile, repsonsive style, and is very fast and has much better workrate and stamina. Quite a lot in terms of advantages over Hopkins. He shouldn't really lose more than 3 rounds.:good
     
  2. THN

    THN Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It dosent work like that.
     
  3. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The Bhop today is not better than the bhop at 160! Someone let this guy know that. It's just absurd to think that Bhop is better now at 43 and at 175 than he was at 160!
     
  4. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Of course he's not better.
     
  5. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I knew I wasn't crazy!:good
     
  6. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Well, Hopkins was at his peak around 10 years ago, physically; since then, he's become more experienced, more tricky and cunning, etc...but that's it - it counts for a hell of a lot, sure, but he's no longer fighting at his ideal weight (MW), nor is he fighting an inexperienced guy. Not many more experienced guys in boxing than Calzaghe...

    Calzaghe is fighting at his ideal weight, and he's pretty much as good as he's ever been, even physically - just watch the Kessler fight. The fact that he's a little bit slower and his reflexes not as sharp as a couple of years ago is more than compensated by his improved experience and confidence, especially after Lacy, Bika and Kessler.
     
  7. HolgerD

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    It's a "double edged sword" for Kessler IMHO. If he's ever going to land a rematch with Joe a Hopkins win would probably help that case. On the other side a Hopkins win devaluates Kesslers loss to Joe tremendously.:-((
     
  8. sambob

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    Since when is 160 Hopkins's ideal weight? Hopkins is bigger than Calzaghe yet he is a natural middleweight and Calzaghe is a natural light heavyweight?

    The only reason why Hopkins was able to make 160 all those years is because he was a vegetarian and ran a LOT, keeping in perfect shape between fights.

    In some ways Hopkins IS better now at 175 than he was at 160 in the last few years. At 160 as Hopkins got older, though he got smarter he got less and less active. Look at the Taylor fights. Though personally I think he won the first one regardless, if he had been more active and came on earlier he probably would have won both convincingly. But now that he is at 175 he has been more active than he's been in years, seems to have more power, more energy, the whole works.
     
  9. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Kessler is actually underrated i think.
    Just wait he is gonna take over the light heavyweight division if he decides to go up. 168 is his if he wants it.
     
  10. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    The argument is not that he would be better at 160 than at 175 NOW. Of course he wouldn't be. The argument is that he is worse at 175 now then he was at 160 back in the day, even if you forget about him getting older in the meantime, and everything that comes with that.

    He denies it in this interview though:

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  11. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    His ideal weight is 160. Its where he gets or "Got" the most out of his body.....but as the years went on his body changed and it became a bit harder to stay at 160 so it was natrual that he would eventually move up....and he did.

    The men are equal in Size. Joe and Bhop pretty much have the same frame...there will be no advantage at 175 for Hop in terms of the physical.

    So at this age and stage of Bhop LONG career 175 is better suited BUT....that was not the arguement....this clown stated that this version of Bhop is better than the verison at 160 which is some real stupid ****.:good
     
  12. Unstoppable

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    The whole argument about other guys looking bad or good is non valid. Bika won a few rounds against JC and no one would think that Hopkins would lose to bika, even is JC beats Bhop 120-108, would they?

    At any rate.. Styles make fights and Kessler would jab Bhop to death all night long.
     
  13. Unstoppable

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    You know what Tyson..
    If that is true, then a JC win should expose all fighters that Bhop has ever faced and their respective divisions.
    I'm sure you don't agreee with that, do you?
    Just because Bhop should win (lol) it doesn't mean that he could beat Kessler.
    If JC KOs Bhop in a round, it doesn't mean that Kessler would do the same either
     
  14. Unstoppable

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    But if JC destroys Bhop?

    What does that make Kessler?
     
  15. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Overrated. If Bhops can beat Calzaghe, he is almost certain to beat Kessler, because of styles. Kessler's style is easier for Hopkins than Calzaghe's style.