Ketchel vs Johnson news read.

For those how have not read the report, here it is. Ketchel to me was crude, and outclassed by Johnson, though he did put a big lump on Johnson head, forced Johnson to clinch after landing some blows, and scored a knockdown with a shot to the chin.

Johnson had no trouble cutting Ketchel up, and at times him spitting blood. Johnson also had had Ketchel down for a short amount of time in round two.

This does not sound like a fixed fight to me. The story of a fix was Johnson's after Ketchel's death. Perhaps it was to avoid embarrassment. The paper reports that there was no hand shake, Ketchel was nervous, and in fact down. Both men had marks on their face. Both men were knocked down. The alleged fixed fights of the time drew chorus of boos. This fight while slow at times had some real leather flying back and forth.

Although Johnson won the fight by knockout, a fight like this in modern times would have had the critics buzzing. It certainly appears that Johnson had some durability problems from wild swinging middle weight, who in my opinion would not rate in the top 100 heavyweight punchers.
I have not seen the full video fight, but it’s out there to buy.


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You’re welcome. If you have a request for a news read, ask or PM me. I've got lots of them, and if I don't have it, I know where to get them.

While debating fantasy fights are often entertaining, I like to switch things up and focus on the fights that actually happened every now and then. By reading about what actually happened, we can guess better about fantasy fights and clear up misconceptions.

 

Post your video. The fight was very dull from what I have seen. Regardless of how you spin it, a prime Jack Johnson was embarrassed by a much smaller and cruder fighter.

News reads are generally corresponding to the filmed fights. While the though of Johnson having issues vs lesser fighters is undoutabely a pair of shoes two sizes to small for you, other unbiased posters here appreciate the news reads.

If you ask me nicely, I'll post the round by round Johnson vs Burns fight.

 

This is how I see it too. While Johnson was good on defense, I don't think he was a defensive wizard if he wasn't clinching. Many of his fights I posted suggest he could be hit, marked up, and hurt vs non-elielte level heavyweights.

 

The fight was not a fix in my opinion. Why make noise of it when Ketchel after Ketchel died? Ah, a dead man does not speak and can’t call you a lair. IMO, Johnson made up a lot of stuff and was somewhat embarrassed in victory. Why do you believe him? You agree with me that the Willard dive was a bogus lie from Johnson. Keep in mind Johnson gave Gunboat money to be his sparring partner. And if you believe Johnson was in “ fixed fights “then are you also open to the possibility that some people agreed not to beat him in exchange for a pay day?

I find this hard to say without sounding condescending, but it would be easier for other posters to read your stuff if you form paragraphs.

As for the Burns fight, I have some information to share with you.
Are you aware Burns was ill with jaundice? It’s true. In fact Burns was at an all time low weight of 168 pounds for the fight. His normal in shape weight was 181-184, and this was three months before the fight vs Squires.

Burns begged Promoter HD McIntosh to give him another week to get well. HD McIntosh told Burns the tickets were already sold and the show must go on or he won't get paid!

Burns claims to have broken Johnson's ribs ( Not sure if it is true or not ), and made a fair account of himself given the circumstances that he was a much smaller and ill. The fight film shows Burns gave Johnson a black eye. Johnson was in control of the match for sure.

I do agree with you when you said Johnson hit and held. I have read two full reports on the fight ( I can post one if you ask nicely ), and seen many clips.

 

No it is not a joke. Burns got in a right hand early, and swelling on Johnson’s left eye can be seen in the film and photos.

A historian is a research person and an archivist. I do both. In addition, I have boxed, and study / break down films. I have seen at least a 1,000 boxing matches and own many dvd's and boxing tapes. Having said that there are plenty who know more than me.

If you have astigmatism, that's fine. Just don't call people out on numbers, or dates which is something I've seen you do before.