Ketchel vs Johnson, round 2 and more. A film study.

This pr*t wants it both ways!LOL

B R BEARDEN WTF is he????

 

Gunboat Smith confirmed in an interview before his death that the fight was a fake.

 

Gunboat Smith 1971:
"I would box Ketchel a few rounds in the afternoon and then take the streetcar to the seal rock house at four o'clock and put on the gloves with Johnson.

Regarding the fight:
It was no contest. Johnson would pick him up by the arms and set him down wherever he wanted and slap him around. Then they pulled a fake knockdown. He hit him on top of the head and Johnson who was a good actor went down on his hands his body never touched the canvas. He got up and knocked him out with one punch. That night they go down to Jim Crawfords across the state line. They ran a gambling hall down there and shot craps. Ketchel won $700 off the n..... Now you figure that!

 

You ,"let the films rule "? Yet you cannot ,or will not see that Johnson is carrying Ketchel even to the point of grabbing him and lifting him up to stop him hitting the floor,talking to him at the same time saying, "where you going Stanley ,we aint finished yet".Johnson's arrangement was that he would take it easy on Ketchel whilst ketchel did his best.Since Johnson was in on the movie rights to the fight it was in his own best interests to make the film as competitive and exciting as possible.Johnson told his own people," if you see me down don't worry".His own sparring partner said the KD was staged.
Johnson told his followers to bet he would stop Ketchel inside 15rds ,when asked if he would do it inside ten he replied no.

Johnson scaled 199lbs the day before the fight and said he would dry out to 195/196 overnight he added he had been," as fat as a Jap wrestler," for the O Brien fight. In the ring their weights were announced as Johnson 196lbs Ketchel 174lbs. After dropping Ketchel in the second Johnson did not follow up his advantage, just jabbing a few times and clinching.Pollacks book states he was toying with and grinning at Ketchel.

In the 4thrd in a clinch Johnson ,lifted Ketchel off his feet like a baby and carried him to ring centre five feet from where the clinch started.
In the 10th Ketchel was falling to the canvas from left hooks to the head,but Johnson claimed him and lifted him up swinging him into a standing position, and preventing him from going down.Johnson patted him on the shoulder at the end of the round.

The Examiner said Ketchel was badly whipped in this round,and that, "up to this point Johnson seemed to be under a wrap"
Pollack states that Johnson dropped Ketchel in the 2nd ,6th and kod him in the 12th,and picked him up and prevented him from going down in the10th rd.

The Chronicle cast doubt on the legitimacy of Johnson's KD.
The SF Call said Johnson went down from a mysterious blow.
W Naughton, in the Examiner thought the KD was bogus.

Ketchel stated after the fight that he weighed 178lbs.
The Chronicle sated that Johnson had carried Ketchel.
Another writer for The Examiner said,
"Johnson so far outclassed Ketchel that he could have knocked him out in any round he wanted including the first ,had he cared to extend himself".

"Johnson received no applause,not even when he generously picked up Ketchel from the different corners of the ring and whirled him around to a safe place after which Jack stepped back momentarily and allowed Ketchel to get his bearings.The crowd simply hated him"
Sounds like you had your ancestors there!

"The Examiner said the main subject of argument was whether or not Ketchel had knocked Johnson down.The general opinion of those at ringside was that the champion had done the tumbling act for the benefit of the pictures".
Summarizing, WW.Naughton writing in the Examiner said," Johnson outclassed and toyed with his smaller opponent for 11 rds before putting him out with a fierce volley of smashes.Johnson is a wonderful fighter,Ketchel a game one".
Please do continue with this ridiculous charade of hatred, all you are doing is exhibiting your diseased mind for all the forum to see. . Doing my work for me in effect!

 

The only conclusion I've ever drawn from the footage I've seen, is that the much bigger fighter has complete control over the much smaller fighter. The bigger man let the smaller man get inside leaving enough space for a big shot to be thrown, sparking evasive action from the bigger man resulting him getting caught on his way down. At this point the bigger man's instincts take over as he has been made to look foolish, also sensing a bit of danger, he just so happens to land one of the first haymakers he throws and the smaller fighter gets knocked unconscious.

 

" Johnson was a known liar ?" Well it takes one to know one!

 

One thing is indisputable even on that poor film, Ketchel's face was getting busted up and bleeding and he was the one coming forward. That was not an exhibition. I believe Johnson was going to try and punish Stanley for the pre fight comments and was doing it till he got nailed. Then Stanley had to go

 

Gunboat said lots of crazy sh*t. Do you find him credible? It's a sincere question. He also claimed that Johnson-Jeffries was a fix until a couple nights before the fight when Johnson informed him the deal was off.

 

Didn't Johnson physically carry Burns during their fight too? Pretty sure he did.

Pretty sure the Johnson-Ketchel fight was on level.
Even if it was fixed, doesn't even matter, because it pretty much ended up being a real fight anyway.

Ketchel half dead on the canvas. Yup, he sure pulled a fast one on us.

 

He claimed that the fight was in the bag for Jeffries until the venue got switched.

 

I don't like him,neither his style of fighting nor the man himself particularly, but I dislike people who compulsively and repeatedly tell lies to further their hate agenda even more. Johnson is a fascinating character ,a man of great courage and contradictions,but he is not among my favourite fighters. I do give Jack great props for risking his hands pulling out that singed contract though!LOL

Once again you fail to elicit the reaction from the forum that you clearly wanted. That's because the vast majority of them are not blinded by a phobic and irrational hatred. Epic Fail!!!

 

You don't see Johnson hoisting Ketchel up and keeping him from hitting the canvas?
Refraining from going for the finish when he had him hurt? Strange that, because everyone there did including all the reporters who were ringside!