Ketchel vs. Langford consensus opinion?

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  1. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What is the consensus opinion(s) of boxing people/historians on this ND fight?
    Was there an agreement between the two? Did Ketchel look 'better'? Did Langford 'carry' Ketchel in an attempt for a title shot? The reports vary on this subject.
     
  2. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Ketchel reportedly refused this fight and was relectant to meet him
     
  3. Maxmomer

    Maxmomer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    From the article I read it sounded like Langford has the better of the fight. I read he bloodied Ketchel's face and Ketchel mostly stuck to the body.
     
  4. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    If there is no video, it doesn't matter. If I can't watch something, I can't give a credible account.
     
  5. Mendoza

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    Langford was the better in the six round fight. Ketchel was game.

    Here's the fight report.

    http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archiv...7143BE733A2575BC2A9629C946196D6CF&oref=slogin
     
  6. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  7. Mendoza

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    Dpw471,

    You're welcome.
     
  8. janitor

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    Langford hinted later that he did carry Ketchel.

    Either way it seems likley that Ketchel would have defended the middleweight title against Langford had he lived. The peices were all in place.
     
  9. Maxmomer

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    Too bad for Langford, he probably would have won the title.
     
  10. janitor

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    "Poor Stan. He went to his grave thinking he could beat ole Sam"

    Sam Langford
     
  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol:

    Man, Sam Langford seems quality. I mean his patter seems really funny a lot of the time. He has one or two crackingl lines like these.
     
  12. Mendoza

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    Langford had a way with words. I think he would have TKO'd Ketchel had the fight been a greater distance.

    Langford on film has skills up close or at a distance. Good speed. Good power. Great toughnss.

    Ketchel was more of a wild swinger / tough man. The news read says it was mostly Langford until the final round.
     
  13. Senya13

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    One Pennsylvania newspaper wrote this the next day:

    Local sporting writers and fight fans are divided as to the winner of the Ketchel-Langford six round fight before the National A. C. last night. Of the five morning papers two declare Langford was the winner, one gives the fight to Ketchel for his sixth round rally and two declare it a draw.
     
  14. Senya13

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    Philadelphia Inquirer two days after the fight one author wrote this:

    It is difference of opinion that makes horse racing, baseball, fighting and other forms of sport possible. If there is any one who is skeptical about the truth of this just let him read the headlines over the descriptions of the Langford-Ketchell bout as printed in the various papers of this city and New York yesterday. In his long and fashionable career on the turf the Old Sport can recall no sporting event which evoked such varying opinion as that little frolic between the Boston Tar Baby and the Michigan Assassin at the national on Wednesday night. Every possible shade of opinion was expressed, and no two of the critics, even if they agreed as to the winner, agreed upon the extent by which he won. According to some, "Ketchell gave Langford a terrific beating;" according to others, "Langford outpointed Ketchel;" still others declared that "A draw would have been about the proper decision," while others intimated pretty strongly that the bout was a fake. One critic noted for his carefulness and thoroughness declared that "Ketchel landed the greater number of clean blows," while another critic equally careful and thorough maintained that "Langford landed the greater number of punches," and there you are.
     
  15. mattdonnellon

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    Report and comment from The Washington Post, April 30, 1910.

    LANGFORD IS 'LENIENT'
    Experts Claim Negro "Pulls"
    Punches Against Ketchel.
    WHITE MAN LOSING POWER

    .Ed Cole in Hew York Telegram, Says
    Ketchel Is not the fighter he was a
    Year Ago, and Must Take Good Care
    of Himself—Langford May Meet "Assassin"
    on Coast in longer Mill.
    Following out the opinion of "Honest
    John" Kelly regarding the Ketchel-
    Langford flght, as published exclusively
    in The Post yesterflay morning, the
    New Tork Herald prints this:.. - :
    "Few close judges of boxing who can
    tell the difference between sincere
    flghtlig and shaniming thought that
    Sam Langford, the Boston negro, did
    his best in his six-round engagement
    with Stanley Ketchel, Wednesday night.
    If there were parts of the bout that
    made sharp-eyed spectators skeptical,
    Lanigford's conduct in the sixth round
    convinced them that the negro had no
    intention of doing anything else, except
    letting Stanley stay the limit:
    ."At the end of the fifth round Langford
    had the advantage by a substantial
    margin. He showed that he could
    hit Ketchel any time he pleased, and
    at the same time parry his rival's fast
    leads. He gave flashes of what he
    could do by occasionally dodging in
    and out. landing blow after blow;-while
    Ketchel was so confused with these
    tactics that he could only blindly swing.
    Pulls His Punches
    "Then came the sixth, where Ketchel
    made his theatrical stand and Langford
    pulled his punches. Sam simply refused to flght and let
    Ketchel rush
    him all over the ring. This was the
    sensational rally of Ketchel. Langford
    was by no means the only party to the
    holding. Several times, especially in
    the first two rounds, Ketchel hesitated
    and then held back swings that might
    have caused damage.
    'It probably will not be long before
    the combatants will ba matched to flght
    a long- distance battle on the Pacific

    Ed Cole, In the New York Telegram,
    writes; ' .—
    Seems to be a difference of opinion in
    regard to the outcome of the fight betwen
    Stanley Ketchel and "Sam" Langfdrd.

    There are all shades, of differences,
    from wild enthusiasm over Ketchei's
    "victory" to a dispassionate analysis
    of the flght by a staid Quaker expert,
    who gives the result to Langford.;
    I side with the gentleman from Philadelphia.
    The negro outpointed Ketchel
    in the early part of the flght and if he
    had sailed In and tried to finish Ketchel
    the chances are that he might have put
    him out.
    One thing Is certain—Ketchel was very
    anxious to ascertain after the fight was
    over what folks thought about It; and undoubtedly
    put forth every ounce that he
    had in him in the sixth round, hoping
    to make up for any deficiencies which he
    had shown prior to then.
    Fight Favors Langford.
    In the description of the flght by
    rounds, even by those who favor Ketchel,
    I can't see anything but Langford all
    the way through, until It comes to the
    last round, where the white man is supposed
    to have made that terrific assault
    which took Langford off his feet and
    saved Stanley's bacon.