Kevin Johnson's power: Deceptive record?

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  1. Boxed Ears

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    Kevin Johnson is about to face the WBC beast and champion Vitali Klitschko in a few weeks. He has only nine knockouts in his 23 pro fights and he is a heavy, heavy underdog. VK has never lost on points and the only one who genuinely stopped him with their power was another beast-a lion, Lennox Lewis on cuts after ripping him up badly in a knockdown drag-out title fight. Johnson has 22 wins, 1 draw, 0 losses. I think he's a fine fighter, even if I don't give him a great chance against Vitali. But a lot of people are saying he has no pop to his punches. I think maybe we're being fooled by his record a bit. It's the norm that if you're not a big puncher, you tend to pick up a majority of your total career knockouts in your first 15-20+ fights because they're not likely going to be against good competition. If you're a recognized prospect from the beginning, your first 15-20 fights will probably be against folks who maybe can't box well, don't have solid chins, are taking fights on short notice, maybe in terrible shape, etc. Again, Johnson has just nine knockouts in his 23 fights.

    He has gone the ten-round distance with Daniel Bispo, who had been stopped by Fres Oquendo only about four months earlier and would go on to be stopped three more times up till now and lose most of his fights after Johnson along the way. He went the eight-round distance with a Ron Guerrero who had previously been stopped five times, including three times in the very first round. He also went the six-round distance with Andrew Greeley. Is it unfair to pick on this, seeing as how it was only a six-rounder? Greeley now has a record of 14-30-2, with nine knockout losses. When he fought Johnson, he'd already suffered eight of those knockouts, including a straight KO loss in the first round about 5 months prior. All of Greeley's eight knockout losses to that point had been in rounds six and under. With that and an overall knockout percentage in the thirties through so few fights, it's hard to think he's got much of any punching power to worry about...but:

    A third of his 9 knockout victories were in his last three fights. Never before this has he had three knockouts in a row, even against complete nobodies. His three opponents included former champ Bruce Seldon, a never stopped nobody named Mathew Greer and former Olympian, undefeated and solid prospect Devin Vargas. That looks like something interesting to me. None of those guys were great or anything like that but definitely notable stoppages for a guy who went the distance with the aforementioned Greeley, and company. This is a guy that wasn't knocking out some really susceptible people with clearly little skill previous to his last three straight knockout victories. I think he realized maybe he wasn't going to get anywhere just out-boxing people, as far as the fans were concerned. I think he really is able to dish some good power out and is willing now. I'm not saying he's a gigantic hitter, but I suspect he can hit pretty well when he wants to. Anybody else think his record is deceptive on this?

    ...I wonder if he can even land on Vitali anyway...:think... Either way, though I heavily favor Vitali, I don't think Johnson is a pushover. He took 13-0 former Olympian Timur Ibragimov to a draw in his fourth pro fight. He's skilled, maybe can hit better than many think. Not to mention, Vitali hasn't stopped aging. Nobody does. Those legs he uses to control distance, they're going to get tired some day. Those are the legs of an injury-prone 38-year-old hauling around 250 pounds after over 200 amateur fights and 40 pro fights-not even counting his championship kickboxing career. Johnson might end up in the right place at the right time with just enough in his arsenal come next month... Or he could get decapitated in round one. Who the hell knows? It's boxing!

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  2. good post - interesting to read
     
  3. DemolitionDan

    DemolitionDan ATG and HoF Full Member

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    I'm an optimistic person, so I voted for the second choice.

    If I was being realistic I would pick the third choice.
     
  4. brettchko

    brettchko 4th deg bk. belt Full Member

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    no chance that Vitali went off the diving boad since the last fight .... he is going to kill kevin ! sorry no great hope comen for you poor saps yet ,, in fact aint nothen comen for you poor BRUTHA'S until the klits die or some one drops a bomb on easturn europe.
     
  5. Farmboxer

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    Johnson's last opponent was not in Vitali's class.
     
  6. Ivo

    Ivo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I am going to watch a few Johnson's fight before I make up my mind about his power. At this stage I have seen only his last fight with Vargas.
     
  7. ramalinga

    ramalinga Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Vitali KO'd his first 23 opponents. To make a case for Johnson's power based on three consecutive KO's seems far fetched. If Johnson has any chance at all, it would be through defense, his reach and an awkward style.
     
  8. chico g

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    He probably is capable of a higher ko ratio, but the way the guy fights. He's just too relaxed and lazy....
     
  9. Boxed Ears

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    What? Did you think I was trying to compare Johnson's power to Vitali's? If you did, you probably didn't read that right. I'm only saying I don't think he's feather-fisted. I certainly didn't say he was a a big-time puncher. Only that I think we have a guy who just held back, satisfied to win on points until recently and that I suspect he's a decent puncher. There's nothing far-fetched about that, that I can see.
     
  10. paulfv

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    Kevin Johnson is toast against Vitali. Johnson may have good power. So does Sam Peter.
     
  11. Boxed Ears

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    I assume Peter is a far harder puncher, but I think Johnson is a better boxer. Of course, I also voted "Yes, but it doesn't matter, he'll still get starched."
     
  12. rapidfire

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    It´s hard to see the Kingpin beating the baddest man on planet, but i think, the Kingpin will do better than most do expect from him, a lot better than Arreola or Peter. As for his power, i think Johnson has enough pop to make his opponents think about not trying to walk through him. Remember, he´s still learning, he didn´t have a huge amateur career as a background.
     
  13. Odo

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    """He took 13-0 former Olympian Timur Ibragimov to a draw in his fourth pro fight."""

    Timur is the only decent name in his fight record,and Timur is a decent but pretty limited heavy weight who hasnt even reached the status of fringe contender.

    Pah! I for my part would prefer Pulev(who beat Nigerian olympian and Brewster conqueror in his 3rd pro fight) getting his shot at Vitaly in his 4th pro fight to watching that American c class fighter get his ass kicked and stopped in the first 2 or 3 rounds of his encounter with Vitaly.
    I guess Johnson gets a shot because he has an American passport and is undefeated.
    Even someone like Pala is far more deserving of a shot at Vitaly's title than Johnson whose claim to fame is a draw with Timur and a victory over the midget Vegas( who was knocked down several times by my compatriot Zuev at the olympics some years ago).
     
  14. Drew101

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    Actually, I think this is probably VK's toughest fight since he's returned, simply by virtue of the fact that he's facing a guy who is more skilled than Arreola and Peter, and who might not be inclined to run into Klitschko's counter rights on a continuous basis. A late round stoppage isn't out of the question, I guess, but I think it's far more likely that Klit will grind out a pretty hard-fought decision against a fighter who is capable of using his legs and forcing Vitali to chase far more than he has had to in recent outings.
     
  15. K-Man

    K-Man Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think, IF Johnson trains really serious, he will deliver a much better fight than Arreola, Gomez or Peter.