Khan - Peterson: The Flow of the Match

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  1. Outboxer

    Outboxer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Regardless of who you had winning, I think we can at least agree that this was a genuinely great bout. A lot of ebb and flow, and two contrasting styles, with each man attempting to take control of the match right until the end.

    Peterson fought really well. He maintained solid, consistent pressure, used a lovely body attack all the way through the fight, and roughed Khan up on the inside. Khan's lack of defence on the inside was once again highlighted -- he was getting caught with the uppercut, the hook around the guard, and he was being softened up by those constant body shots. Peterson tried to box at first, but there was a palpable change at the end of the second round...he started coming forward and putting pressure on Khan, walking him down, which is exactly what Gomez and Maidana did in their fights against Khan. Khan is a boxer who loves to stay at range where he can use that jab and handspeed, but when you start forcing him backwards and making him fight in the pocket you have a great chance at taking him apart. Peterson seemed to be looking for a left-hook counter to the head in the early stages (exactly as some predicted before the bout) and then adjusted his strategy and turned his attention to the body.

    Khan really needs to work on his inside game. He also can't just run around the ring like that -- it gives the other guy confidence. He needs to learn how to stand his ground and work on the inside, as well as tying the opponent up in a more effective manner. I WAS glad to see that he was using some bodyshots of his own, but he was clearly losing the inside war. Peterson was getting hit coming in at points, but he was also able to shell up and absorb a lot of Khan's flurries. The rounds Khan won were often down to workrate, where Peterson would settle down a little and Khan would simply look like the busier guy.

    Another thing -- Khan needs to also stop this approach of 'passive defence'. (I think that's the term Roach used after the Maidana match.) Sitting on the ropes (or even in the middle of the ring) simply holding your guard up is a bad idea against a good fighter like Peterson. There was more than one point where I actually thought Peterson would floor Khan, because he would sometimes get Khan to the ropes, move slightly back, and unleash a haymaker right around Khan's guard. It just keeps coming back to Khan's defensive flaws -- he's too stiff and predictable. He doesn't have the professional tricks of rolling with shots, creating space in subtle ways, locking the other guy's arms up to stop him from getting weight on his shots, being able to defend himself while keeping his vision clear, etc. It's also a case of footwork. Khan has decent footspeed, but it's not educated. Compare the way someone like Marquez moves and boxes to the way Khan moves and boxes -- the former constantly turns his man, with short, balanced steps, always ready to counter, while Khan seems to literally run backwards with big, almost panicked movements, and he constantly got trapped against the ropes.

    One positive point for Khan -- I think he really dug deep and managed to win the championship rounds. Even though he'd been battered to the body and had kept up such a high workrate, he was still able to win the last few rounds on my scorecard. He even won the final round, although that was ruined by the point deduction.

    A rough attempt at a scorecard:

    (Keep in mind that I don't usually score fights, so I may well have made one or two mistakes here.)

    1: Khan 10-8 (extra point for knockdown)
    2: Khan 10-9 (close)
    3: Peterson 10-9
    4: Peterson 10-9
    5: Khan 10-9
    6: Khan 10-9 (close)
    7: Peterson 10-8 (extra point for pushing deduction)
    8: Peterson 10-9
    9: Khan 10-9 (close)
    10: Khan 10-9
    11: Khan 10-9
    12: Even 9-9 (due to another pushing deduction)

    Now, I gave Khan those close rounds, but I could see people giving them to Peterson or scoring them a draw. Either way, I think those two points that Khan lost for pushing were basically the key in the fight. They tipped the balance in Peterson's favour. (Although you could also argue with Khan's extra point for the knockdown in round one.)

    I'm hoping that this is the turning point for both men. Khan needs to realise that he cannot consistently win against the best guys with his current style -- he needs to become more flexible and well-rounded, or he'll always struggle against decent pressure fighters who can work in the pocket. Peterson, on the other hand, will hopefully be recognised for his abilities now that he's beaten a top name. I hope both guys go on to have a great career.
     
  2. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good post. Once we get past all the reffing/deduction nonsense(which you touched on, but didn't belabor focus on), this was a great fight.

    A few things that I take away from this fight.....

    Khan needs a plan B.

    Khan needs to learn to fight on the inside.

    Peterson is an adaptable SOB. That body work put Khan on the full out run.


    A shame the controversy takes away from the fight itself. I scored it a draw myself(not counting the -2 pts, and the KD that wasn't.)
     
  3. DDDUUDDDEE

    DDDUUDDDEE Undisputed Ambien (taker) Full Member

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    Great scorecard, and a good post. Khan's inside game is frankly terrible, he has no confidence in the pocket at all. I think this loss will be a good learning experience for him, and I also think he only comes back stronger from this.
     
  4. Outboxer

    Outboxer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    One of my favourite parts of the fight. I haven't seen consistent, good quality body work like that in a long time. He surely slowed Khan down with that assault, and that was probably why Khan had to keep shelling up and taking breathers.

    I just hope he doesn't focus too much on the referee and the point deductions. (Which he seemed to indicate during that post fight interview.) He needs to forget about that and focus on actually addressing his skills in the ring. Roach should spend hours upon hours refining his work in the pocket and his defence as a whole.
     
  5. DDDUUDDDEE

    DDDUUDDDEE Undisputed Ambien (taker) Full Member

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    I think he just let his emotions get the better of him last night, which is understandable considering the suspect point deductions contributing to the fact that he lost both his titles. Khan is all heart, in and out the ring, which isn't always a good thing.

    At the very least he needs to learn that he can't simply cover up and let his opponents tee off on him when they get inside. Maybe GBP should get B-Hop to give him a few pointers.
     
  6. Outboxer

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    Yeah, I can understand why he was upset. It's a shame, because he gave a good account of himself in that fight, but might have turned a few people against him due to those rash words in the interview.

    Hopkins giving Khan pointers would be great. I just wish there was a way for him to get long, consistent lessons on defence, though -- Roach is a great, intelligent trainer, but he seems to specialise in offence. I'm not sure how much he can do with Khan in this particular area.
     
  7. Dunk87

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    The last round is scored 10 - 8 due to deduction.
     
  8. Outboxer

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    I was actually wondering how to score that round. I had Khan winning it, but then the deduction sort of cancelled that out. I assumed it would thus be 9-9?

    I had a look at the official cards, and they seemed to give the same score for that round: http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/peterson-kahn-scorecard-104081
     
  9. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You're probably right about that. Hopkins, the cagey old *******.

    I thought Khan would have a tough fight, but ultimately win a comfortable UD, possibly even a late stoppage.

    Aside from shelling up, he fought an ok fight. Even with the holding/shoving etc.(of which we've seen worse).
     
  10. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think it should be a 9-9, providing u had Khan winning it.
     
  11. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Khan did some pretty good body work too. But didn't commit to it like Peterson did.

    BTW, if anyone remembers, the only success that Peterson had vs Bradley was his body work. IIRC, he abondoned it in that fight, but obviously not in this one.

    Khan really should commit to some defense too. I mean, it has improved, but could still be so much better. It's the only thing keeping him from being a complete and p4p fighter. I mean, his handspeed is ridiculous, but that, in and of itself, can only take you so far.
     
  12. DDDUUDDDEE

    DDDUUDDDEE Undisputed Ambien (taker) Full Member

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    I think what holds Khan back in the defence department is his machismo more than anything. He feels the need to brawl and play to the crowd way too much, to show that he's a "warrior" I guess. A bit like Lennox used too, the difference being he had far more power (for his size) than Khan, and was actually decent on the inside.
     
  13. Bad Boyz

    Bad Boyz Sportscenter Full Member

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    Khan won that round, it's 9-9.
     
  14. Tolstoy

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    Yes, there are certain things I wish he hadn't said but Khan has no real cause for complaint as this was a fight that could easily have went either way. I had it 115-112 in favour of Peterson, having scored rounds 10 and 12 even, the latter before the points deduction so I had to score the last round 10-9 in Peterson's favour.

    I doubt this will do Khan any long term damage. His earning power will take a knock for a couple of fights but he won his first world title within a year of the Prescott loss and at a mere 25 he has plenty of time on his side. If he takes a leaf out of Miguel Cotto's book and learns the discipline to fight for whole rounds on the back foot he won't go far wrong. Last night's fight was tactically a **** up.
     
  15. Coldhearted

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    Full credit to Peterson he took Khan's gameplan and threw it out of the window.

    Consistent body shots, I was surprised to see Khan take the body shots quite well as I always thought he would not like being hit on the body.

    I honestly think the referee was nagging and so fussy that it distracted Khan more than anything. At one point Khan didn't even know what he was doing wrong because all he could hear was the constant babbling from the incompetent referee.