Khan v Peterson - list 3 points that you would work on for both boxers training camps

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  1. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    Khan.

    #1
    - Footwork - Khan's footwork is not good, at all. His judge of distance, often leaves him in vulnerable positions...leaning over his front knee, and foot, etc. This mainly happens offensively. Defensively he can trip over his feet, he can't get himself out of trouble and he tends to settle on the ropes whilst taking shots if he is presented with pressure. Taking the amateur-ish bounce out of his movement will also conserve plenty of energy.

    #2 - Jab - Khan has a potentially very, very good jab. Combined with good footwork, his outside game will be very solid...he will also won't be left in vulnerable positions as much if he can get them working together. When Khan is allowed to throw the jab offensively from range, it is a very effective punch and sets his fast combinations up. But defensively, it is virtually none existent at times. Implementing a solid jab on the backfoot (which requires decent footwork)...again, he can stop relentless pressure the majority of the time...also allowing him to reel off combinations on the backfoot.

    #3 - Uppercut - The uppercut is a must IMO. Roach is getting blamed for this performance in particular with people claiming that he didn't give Khan the information that was needed. But Roach's advise was spot on, throw the uppercut, it will land...and it did land, and it did hurt Peterson, Khan just stopped throwing it because he lost his head. Combining the two above, Khan needs to bring Peterson on to that uppercut, he has a solid uppercut when plants his feet.

    Additional -
    Khan must not lay on the ropes with that high guard and take unnecessary shots to impress the crowd. You don't even see that in amateur, it's basically giving your opponent free rain to not only hit and hurt you, but also gives the judges an excuse to give the round in your opponents favour. Either work as much as possible with a tight defense if presented with this situation, or get yourself out of there via laterally movement/pivoting on the backfoot.

    Peterson.

    #1 - Intelligent pressure - Taking in to account that Peterson's plan B worked very well against Khan in the first bout, Khan will be expecting Peterson to jump right on him this time. IMO Peterson needs to make Khan work 3 minutes of every round in this bout, and that doesn't mean that Peterson has to be throwing none stop, or that he needs to throw 1200 punches in the bout. Taking Khan's flurrying punches on the gloves/making him miss whilst maneuvering him around the ring/making him waste energy will be making him work, whilst taking advantage of any opportunities to land on Khan that are offered to him. Relentless bursts on Khan for a good period of each round are a must.

    #2 - Head movement - Like I said, Khan will probably be expecting Peterson to jump straight on him. Peterson should not believe that he can walk through everything Khan has to land his own shots, this is how he will get caught and hurt by something he doesn't see. Applying plenty of head movement (without wasting too much energy) is a must IMO. Making Khan miss by doing this will also be wasting Khan's energy.

    #3 Overhand right - Peterson can land this shot often IMO. Combine the above points and get himself into a position to reel off that overhand right, followed by attacks to body and head. A successful punch in this bout IMO, and the way Khan leaves the scene of an engagement, it can impress the judges.

    Additional -
    Peterson must try to not allow Khan to smother his work. Khan's inside game is not likely to improve much in just one training camp, so we will probably see Khan holding just as much. Maneuver Khan in positions on the ropes, then fight at mid range, plenty of head movement, overhand rights, and attacks to the body.

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    I haven't mentioned Khan to focus on his inside game because I don't believe it can be improved much in just one training camp. This is not the bout to be trying new things like having Khan thinking too much about what he should be doing on the inside defensively, or how to counteract relentless pressure. I'd much rather have him not being placed in these positions too often using the tools he already possesses, for the most part, anyway :good


    Now your turn people. :thumbsup
     
  2. Prince.

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    Roach said pretty much what you've said above : )

    Laying on the ropes, that might work in the amateurs, but it doesn't work in professional boxing.

    We're going to be boxing a lot smarter in the center of the ring.

    And when he comes in with his head low - instead of pushing him off we'll catch him coming in with the uppercuts and hooks.

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    Khan has nothing except handspeed (which does fade after the 4th round) over Peterson. Timing always beats speed imo. Above all Peterson is the more skilled fighter, he can adapt half-way through a fight, he can switch between gameplans whilst fighting; Khan cannot. I think Roach always only gives Khan one gameplan. Roach will not teach him how to tackle the constant pressure Lamont was exerting on him. Whatever little Ghallager taught Khan up in Bolton in his gym, i'm pretty sure he'll forget on fight night and revert back to his hit-flurry-run-now regroup type of fighting style. The suprizing thing is Khan's flurries don't even connect cos he isn't accurate. They don't even have power and Khan is not heavy handed his punches just sting (this bit of info is from Lamont).

    The good guy with the better all-round skillset will win; Lamont Peterson.
    The ironic thing is Khan is saying i'm gonna bring them belts home (to England) but loads of Brits want Khan to get KO'd. Sometimes I think Khan shouldn't rep UK if he get's so much abuse. The Brit's said bad things when he got KO'd by Prescott and now same when he lost via SD. The reason why he did the hatman drama etc was to get the rematch...

    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=366464&page=62
     
  3. SugarShane_24

    SugarShane_24 ESB good-looking member Full Member

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    I always noticed that Khan's effectiveness goes out the window as the fight reaches the middle rounds.

    His handspeed is there, but he seems like just fliaing away to get points in.

    Well for Khan perhaps to improve his accuracy and put more impact on his punches.

    For Peterson, just be himself.
     
  4. KO-KING

    KO-KING Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Khan

    Improve Footwork, - not major, just how to take simple half a steps which would allow him to circle a fighter, he needs to get the leaping out of his game

    Use his Jab and not as a range finder for his right hand, every round he used his jab properly he won the rounds

    Uppercuts especially Right Uppercuts - LP is open for it when he comes in

    Peterson

    Jab to the chest area from the outside

    Bit more head movement on the outside

    More uppercuts when his on the inside along with his body work and increased rate of Overhand rights
     
  5. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    :thumbsup Don't think I've seen that.
     
  6. spud1

    spud1 HAWK TIME!!!! Full Member

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    Peterson need to learn to cut off the ring instead of following his opponent. Also slip slightly more and use a wider variety of shots in the right scenarios.


    Khan needs to learn his distance, to also learn to fight at a distance without giving up too much ground and also to stop panicking when he can't take his opponents out
     
  7. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    Aye, wastes energy with his bouncing around. Then starts trying to save energy it seems to get him through 12. This should be the time Peterson really puts the pressure on, before Khan starts picking up his workrate again.

    :good

    When talking about the panicking, I don't really think that can be learned a great deal. That may come with experience. I have often said that Khan is stuck in between an amateur and a pro in terms of his style, and his mentality. As an amateur, I am pretty confident he wasn't pressured as much as he is now in the pro's, combined with heavy/hurting shots.
     
  8. maddog12

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    Awesome thread :good
     
  9. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Khan lead uppercut

    You watch baby!
     
  10. spud1

    spud1 HAWK TIME!!!! Full Member

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    He needs to be worked harder in sparring, and also in a smaller ring, from a young age khan fought in championship fights as an armature many in which Olympic sized rings are used, where he had luxury of back peddling away from fighter and attacking when he Pleased.
     
  11. spud1

    spud1 HAWK TIME!!!! Full Member

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    He panicks as he is not used to the scenarios
     
  12. PityTheFool

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    Khan-#1;Footwork.You just can't ignore such a glaring deficiency.Against lesser fighters he can sometimes get away with it and actually look as if he has a unique abilty t get power behind his shots with his feet in front of him.:huh
    #2;Going to the body.Much as he went to the body well against Maidana,I can't see Amir learning an inside game now,but instead of that pushing lark,to avoid getting caught up inside why not try to force a desirable distance with some short body shots as Lamont comes in?
    #3.Hill sprints.Because he's a ****.:bart

    Peterson-#1;Upper body strength.Pretty self-explanatory but a more rugged approach to use of the upper body could capitalise on Amir's patchy footwork and resist Amir's attempts to keep distance.Head movement would be part of these drills.
    #2;Strategy.Somewhat related to the previous point,but I'd be telling Lamont to stay on the front foot,refusing to let Khan set his feet,getting close at all costs and double jabbing to set up the overhand right,(which was covered very well in a previous post here) or getting close to set up the...
    #3;Uppercut/powershots.It would be easy to have a go at Amir's chin here,but I'm more inclined to think that getting inside and landing quality uppercuts would be an absolute nightmare for Amir.And I mean this in regards to the styles,not any questions over Amir's punch resistance.
    You have to assume Freddie will be working hard to iron out such obvious vulnerabilities or amateur theories like mine though.:gsg
     
  13. thawk888

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    You can see it when Khan is doing pad work and the body shield with Roach. He never allows Freddie to get close to work, he always stays at mid to long range which is not allowing himself to get used to adapting to when you can't get full length and rotation on your punches. IMO, Peterson has nothing to worry about on Khans punches when he gets close enough, cause Khan has no short power on his shots.

    Forget about inside fighting, his panicking and inability to create the space he needs for his game is the main thing hurting him (I guess that goes back to footwork). I think that is something that could be handled enough for this rematch.

    Peterson? He has the simplest task imo. Defense, stamina, strength. That's about it. If he increases at least one of those factors during this training camp, I think he'll get the clear decision, or perhaps the stoppage.
     
  14. Outboxer

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    Khan:

    - Lateral movement while jabbing. When Peterson charges in, he usually slows down when Khan unloads those quick combinations. Peterson shells up with his gloves to soak up the impact before coming forward again. The trick will be to use that moment -- just after Khan unloads and Peterson covers up -- to pivot around and turn him, so that Khan can keep moving around the ring without hitting the ropes. He shouldn't go anywhere near the ropes. It should be constant lateral motion while trying to pick Peterson off at range. Watching footage of Mayweather vs Corrales might be helpful in this respect.

    - Clinching/spoiling tactics up close. Trying to learn how to fight on the inside in the space of one fight probably isn't going to be a good idea. Khan should find a way to neutralise Peterson by trapping his arms up close (which prevents Peterson's key weapon, his bodyshots) and forcing a ref break. He can't just stand there and put his guard up, because Peterson will fire punches to his body and around the sides of his gloves. He needs to smother Peterson's work on the inside. (Hopkins is good at this.) He can also work on using his own bodyshots to combat Peterson's -- Khan knocked Maidana down with one, and knocked Judah out with one too. (It was on the belt line, didn't look like a low blow to me.) Bodyshots will slow Peterson down and make it easier to get away from him.

    - Vary the attack, be more unpredictable. In the first fight Peterson knew exactly what Khan would do. Run away, unload a quick, light combination to the head, run away, unload, etc. Now and then he'll stop and put his guard up to recharge, then the pattern repeats. If Khan can be less predictable, it'll definitely help. Instead of constantly headhunting with light flurries, he can try mixing things up with jabs to the body, or potshot style left-hooks to the head like Mayweather, before suddenly throwing his usual flurries and moving again. Get Peterson to worry about more than one thing and keep him guessing, which will make him less enthusiastic to charge in. Try and exploit his aggression by setting him up with a big counter now and then.

    As for Peterson...he just has to make sure he boosts his activity and makes it an inside, rough, brawl. He already did this for most of the first fight, so now he knows what to do from the first round on. Maybe try and use the uppercut to the head more when they're up close and Khan shells up, as Khan is open for that shot. (As Maidana showed.) Mix that in with his usual body shots, and Khan won't be able to handle it. Constant pressure. Don't give Khan space, or time to mentally relax. Never let him come forward, which is when he's most effective. Always drive him back. Jab on your way in, but only to keep him occupied until you close the range, then get to work with power shots. Work on constantly cutting off the ring.
     
  15. AnthonyW

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    ^^ Great posts above. :good