Khan vs Broner at 140lbs. Who you got?

Well put!

If Khan fought like Ivan Calderon? He would be damned tough to beat at 140 or with the current crop of smallish 147 pounders. I don't think any real Boxing fan could disagree. Problem is... Khan fights like Khan.

 

When Khan fans make arguments about having more mobile footwork and range, it's blah blah blah...but Broner fans suggest Khan gets stopped by B-level fighters in wars and has done nothing else of worth, that's valid?

The "*****s" are only right in that they think Floyd will win every time. But most of them can't break down a fight worth ****. Now the characteristics are carrying over with Broner fans; ignore the opponent's worth and treat victory for their flawless guy as a foregone conclusion.

 

Broner by stoppage.

 

When you make an argument about Khan having more mobile footwork and this being the deciding factor in a fight? It becomes blah, blah, blah... when you review Khan's career and see that against VERY crude guys Khan has been drawn into, forced into, or willingly engaged in due to over confidence all out brawls with guys REPEATEDLY. Why does he stop being Khan magically when facing Broner? Which one of these do you dispute?

Khan gives up his height
Khan has defensive lapses even at his best
Khan can't fight inside, but finds himself there often (footwork?)
Khan does not have a chin
Khan has been severely hurt by body shots (Broner's forte)
Khan's offense is not intuitive or varied
Khan's footwork is not tricky
Khan does NOT use size to beat opponents

I have never said Khan did nothing of worth. I said Khan has not put in a string of consistent performances that leads me to believe he beats Broner using the game plan or style you guys have presented, i.e., size, footwork, outside fighting, blah, blah, blah... Looking at Khan's career and who has had him stopped, in trouble, or gone the distance with him you don't feel that he begins to have problems sticking to a winning formula against guys B level and above? What levels are Prescott, Peterson, and Maidana? A? A-? Did Khan or did not Khan have his hands full? Right. Is Broner on these guys' level?

Calling ***** isn't hurting anyone's feelings or making your position any more valid. Can't break down a fight? I am breaking down everything I say and outlining why the points you have presented are not valid! You are making this into some lovefest about honor, worth, and treating people right. :roll: We are only talking BOXING!

 

Please oh please can someone who is for Khan point out something that Khan does CONSISTENTLY well that puts him over the top in a TWELVE ROUND FIGHT? These are the only thing I see which are consistent within Khan's arsenal.

Khan is very fast
Khan has good power

These things are in Khan's arsenal, but I don't think he has ever displayed them consistently against higher grade opponents. At times not even against average opponents. Hopefully the coaching changes will keep him on task in tough circumstances.

Khan (at his best) utilizes his reach well
Khan (at his best) has above average footwork

At his best, Khan gives any top fighter problems. Khan fighting an entire fight at his best is the issue. Currently, the sum total of what Khan consistently displays I don't see beating Broner. I can easily see Khan dominating the first half of the fight though if he is cautious and disciplined.

 

Broner shatters that glass

 

DeMarco isn't on Peterson's level at weight? PDL isn't on Maidana's level? Escobedo? Litzau? I know you may not like their division or think it is "hot", but they are damned decent fighters.

More important than names is what you actually saw in those fights that is applicable to this match up? I don't see anything that Khan brings to the table CONSISTENTLY that isn't negated by the flaws in his game. Broner? His style plays right into beating Khan based on these consistent inconsistencies.

PDL gave Broner tons of problems. If this was a discussion on Maidana, Mathysse, Soto-Karass? My position wold be totally different. Based on the PDL fight, they bring to the table styles that would seem to give Broner fits.

 

Clown? You guys pretending Khan will magically be different than how he has been in EVERY fight no matter the level of opponent is buffoonery. I had assumed that Broner's fairly CONSISTENT style and game plan to win would be quite obvious to match up against Khan's strengths and weaknesses. It seems I have underestimated your lack of ability to analyze fights.

Khan is 27-3. What is PDL? Escobedo? DeMarco? Hot? Maybe not, but they are not experienced? Broner can EASILY make 140. He will be forced there soon enough. Escobedo is 5'8" with a 74" reach! Litzau is 5'10" with a 73" reach! Khan is 5'8.5" with a 71" reach. Go figure.

Because the areas Broner has shown weakness in are NOT the areas where Khan has shown any strength. Namely, Broner seems to be able to be overwhelmed with pressure from a durable fighter! Broner doesn't seem to be able to be quite as effective without that wide base of his. His stance is so wide that if a guy keeps moving forward he doesn't have options with his left. PDL effectively kept Broner on his heels and unable to return fire once close. Jury is still out though on whether or not this was due to PDL being a southpaw.That is NOT Khan. Khan will fight in space and has no inside game.

To win this fight Broner just has to be himself. Over the first half he will just cut off the ring on Khan, stay defensively responsible, try to land occasional counters, and rip to the body when close. Over the second half, as Khan slows and attempts to clinch Broner's opportunities to really crack will present themselves. A game plan that fits right into Broner's strengths and Khan's weaknesses as displayed in his actual fights.

Hell all you have to do is look at Khan's last fight against Carlos Molina to realize it. Molina is 5'5" with a 68" reach, 17 wins, and is a legit 135 pounder. Speed? Nope. Still in space that little guy hit Khan! Against Broner Khan WILL be hit. Legit speculation can be made that Broner's power may not carry, but he has sparked guys of dimensions similar to Khan's, no problem, both with one punch and due to accumulation.

I really don't see power being an issue for Broner at 140, but alone it is a legit speculation.

 

I can critique Broner. I just didn't think it was necessary as what Broner has put on display in his winning performances fits in (IMHO) perfectly with beating Khan in a 12 round fight.

Ability to cut off a ring
Vicious body work
Extreme conservation of energy
Solid defense
Solid power
Relentless pressure (if able to apply it)
Great footwork
Great speed
Great timing

Cons:

Stance is possibly too wide and a liability if pressured (pushed backward, PDL)
Has not displayed effective offense while on the move (hasn't had to)
Possibly vulnerable to or offensively/defensively confused by southpaws**
Ability to mentally focus and break down a (BIG) durable opponent questionable (Ponce De Leon)
Power may not carry up in weight

Khan just brings nothing or you guys have not mentioned anything that proves your case that Khan can exploit these weaknesses (real or speculated) other than saying Khan fought a lot more people. Yeah, people less skilled than AB, of similar/smaller size, and... had a rough go of it!

 

I wasn't talking about you specifically, I'm talking about a number of *****s on the board who make stupid ass predictions and simplistic analysis. You've made proper arguments so I wasn't referring to you (although a laundry list of Khan's flaws is not exactly a breakdown). The fact is there are people who think Floyd is the best thing to ever happen to boxing, and they suck. It's that simple. I don't know why you're getting up in arms about honor and a lovefest..?

You're right, for the most part the discussion is civil. But as you can a few individuals have started to lose it.

Being static and having trouble timing PDL's ambush tactics are clearly weaknesses that work in Khan's favor.

 

Oh I am a "*****" by any BS standard use of the term. I listed the flaws as I think they play directly into Broner's strengths. Not up in arms, but you seemed to take issue about my analysis in ways that had nothing to do with Boxing. Like now you seem upset Khan's flaws were listed. That is how you analyze a fighter's chances, strengths vs. weaknesses.

FMJ is the biggest draw in Boxing today. FMJ right now seems unbeatable (at 147). Being honest and arguing this point amid weak reasons why he is not important in the sport isn't "sucking".

What about PDL's fight game plan in any way mirrors Khan's? PDL pressured moving forward pushing Broner onto his heels. Khan won't. PDL is durable. Khan isn't. PDL relied on hooks and is compact so throws punches in a smaller (safer) arc in too close to be countered. Khan is long and throws straight requiring him to stay at range to punch. Being southpaw? Wow. This is like the Zab and Corely gave FMJ trouble so Pac will too argument. It doesn't make sense as the style of the fighters is completely different.

Khan, rather predictably, stays on the outside and when in range fires. Always the same 1-2, 1-2-3. Always right to the opponents head. This is why Judah was able to easily dip under Khan the ENTIRE fight. Always full speed and power, which is why it is 100% predictable that he will gas, slow down, and be forced to fight inside at some point in the fight.

 

What part of "I wasn't referring to you" don't you get? Other posters.

Who in the world is talking about southpaws and Pacquiao and Mayweather? Corely and Zab don't fight like Manny, never suggested they did. Certain angles and punches however may translate from one fight to another, that goes for any comparison.

I don't see how Broner would make it an inside fight. We haven't seen him deal with a jab as sharp as Khan's yet. Broner isn't fleet-footed when circling, going backwards, or chasing a fighter. At his best, Khan throws tight body shots at mid-range, like he did against Maidana. It's when throwing too far outside that he gets caught. Broner has simply never had to deal with a fighter of Khan's attributes. PDL's ambush tactics were relevant because he went in and out on Broner. Khan is an ambush fighter. I can see Broner winning but he's very selective with his punches, I don't see him dragging Khan into a war.