Khan's latest classic one liner

Floyd paid Manny the biggest backhanded compliment possible with all the crying about testing.

He just didn't fancy it after seeing Pac execute Cotto. That performance was truly amazing. Some kinda level he's never looked like reaching.

But hey, he beat Baldomir and Ortiz so he must be the greatest of all time.

 

Never has?

 

Oh Amir Amir Amir when you gonna learn.....Just be honest your chin aint that good so just box box box and learn some defence

 

:yep This is the way he likes it. He can only motivate himself when insults are flying his way. Okay...fine. Time to go into looney mode. Time to become a twat...


PK is ducking me now. If he really wants to debate me on Manny and Peds, he better be prepared because I will utterly annihilate him on this topic. Point by point I will pick him apart. Give him such a schooling, and make him look such a buffoon, that he might never be the same poster again. I am not supremely confident that Manny Pacquiao is clean. He may or may not be. I believe he is clean. Innocent until proven guilty is all I can go on. However, hear this PK and hear it well.... I am supremely confident that if this was a court case..........I would destroy you. I would clown you. I am supremely confident that the judge would throw the case out, because the evidence against Manny is a joke. Do you wish to proceed?


"PK....... I am going to humble you."

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Forgive me. It's nothing personal, but you have been on a witch hunt against Pacquiao for months. I've been quietly watching, not saying anything. I am ready now.............. If you want to continue this bitter vendetta against Pacman....:firedevi:

 

I love how butthurt all the *******s are...... :happy:happy

 

This is not a debate, i am just making afew statements.

Manny Pac refused to implement proper drug testing, and this is one of the main reasons why he will never fight Floyd Mayweather.

And he did not beat Bradley, he wondered around the ring like a ****ing ****** with a big head and some hand speed.

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Manny Pac stated on more than one occasion that he does not like needles, he also refused to implement proper drug testing into boxing. As one of the primier fighters in boxing, this should be his obligation to implement proper drug testing into the sport just like Floyd Mayweather has done.

There is no witch hunt..? Manny Pac has not suffered the criticism, and investigations, that Lance Armstrong has. Lance Armstrong has been one of the most tested athletes on the planet, if not the most tested athlete on the planet......"His cases are not due to fail drug tests, there due to a regime of drug therapy and cheating the system from his era of cycling which many athletes where involved in"......

Manny Pac has been prolific PED abuser, there is no explanation for the dramatic drop in his performances from a physical point of view. His speed, stamina, power have all decreased dramatically in the space of afew fights. He's not a old man, he does not have a bad unhealthly lifestyle, but still his performances have alarming dropped.

Manny Pac these days is limited small fighter, with a big head. Technically in my opinion he's does not have elite skills. His co-ordination and accuracy is not very sharp, the bionic capabilities that he seemed to gain during his move up to 140/147 have no completely disappeared.

If it was a court case..? I would win. It's like a drunk person refusing to take a breathalyzer, if Manny Pac was a clean athlete he would implement proper drug testing.

I believe he is off the PED's now, because the sport is changing due to Floyd Mayweather influence.

The days are numbered for Manny Pac, he's a sitting duck with steriods.

 

If Khan can improve his defence he will be alright, his boxing and speed will do the rest.

 

I have turned it into one.........We are in the ring already.

Manny Pacquiao landed the harder, more meaningful shots. Manny Pacquiao hurt Bradley. Manny Pacquiao was never hurt by Bradley. Like I said, you must have been drunk when you watched. If you want to make a poll on the British forum asking who won, go right ahead. Go ahead, because it's clear as day that Pacquiao not only won, but won comfortably.

"take the test".

"Make the poll"

This means nothing. This is a joke of a statement from you.

Firstly, what is “proper” testing. Define it. Be specific. Is it the same tests that everyone else in boxing has to take part in? Does Pacquiao do different tests to everyone else? Don't avoid the question.

Have USADA or any other organisation concerned with doping ever said that they are unsatisfied with the tests that Pacquiao is doing? I repeat, have they ever expressed dissatisfaction with Pacquiao? Answer the question.

and since when did Floyd become the authority of doping?

Secondly. Manny has agreed to whatever type of testing they want to implement. He has agreed…oh but there is something else getting in the way of this fight. Someone doesn’t believe that Pac should get 50/50....There's always something isn't there?

Does Manny Pacquiao do a different drugs test to everyone else in the sport? Do the authorities allow him to do something different to what everyone else has to do? No? Okay then. Okay.


Why did Floyd suddenly decide to go on a mission to clean up the sport? Where was his desire when Pac was still fighting below 140 and not a potential opponent? Drugs have been a part of the sport for a long time. Why is Floyd suddenly passionate about it when Pac has moved up in weight and destroyed guys like Hatton and Cotto? Is it because he sees Manny as a threat? Is it too much for his ego to take? Okay then. Let's move on.

Listen, you were the one who compared Pacquiao’s situation to Armstrong. What you are babbling on about now…………….does not even make sense and is not even relevant to the discussion. “regime of drug therapy……” blah blah blah. Do you think I care?

It’s simple. You compared the two so that's what we are discussing. Lance Armstrong has a strong case against him from USADA.

Eyewitness testimony. Eyewitness testimony under oath. Is there anyone in boxing who under oath are ready to swear that they have seen Manny doping? Anyone in boxing that will do this? Why don’t you call sr, and Paulie, and uncle Roger and everyone else who have made silly comments.


Does anyone have blood samples of Manny Pacquiao that have tested positive for any banned substances? No? Okay then. We can forget about Armstrong then because the situation does not compare.

That’s a very serious allegation of which you have zero evidence. You have the arrogance, the nerve to claim it as fact. You mug….

Dramatic drop in performance but still good enough to beat Bradley comfortably. The man has had 60 fights. He’s not an old man, but he’s not in his prime. A slight drop in performance is to be expected. Marquez? You foolish man. Manny Pacquiao has ALWAYS struggled with Marquez. ALWAYS.

No he doesn’t have an unhealthy lifestyle but you’re forgetting he is a politician now. His training camps are chaotic, moving from one place to the other. He has far more commitments, far more distractions. Are you going to tell me his new commitments do not affect his training camps? Answer this question. Do his political and religious commitments not have an effect on his training camps? Okay then...

A big head? His whole body is bigger you fool. Because he has put weight on since you know…..moving up in weight. It may have escaped your attention but he’s also changed his hairstyle. Why don’t you get a cereal bowl haircut like Manny Pacquiao and see if your head doesn’t appear bigger.

Are you implying this is due to HGH abuse? Okay then, what about some other side effects such as body and facial acne, premature baldness etc?

Your hero Floyd has a receding hairline and his dome also appears larger than it did in his younger days also. Are you going to claim this is because of PED abuse?

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Manny's horrendous hairstyle gives him the appearance of an enlarged cannister.

Why are you and Floyd pretending that he was a joke before he moved up to 140/147? That he came from nowhere. Are you forgetting about Barrera? Was that a joke performance from him? Was Pac a joke when he was beating Morales, Larios and Barrera?

and since when has Pac EVER been a technical genius? He was ALWAYS been unorthodox. Do you think he was Pernell Whitaker when he was allegedly on something?


I will repeat my earlier statement and make it clear.


"I am not supremely confident that Manny Pacquiao is clean. He may or may not be. I believe he is clean. Innocent until proven guilty is all I can go on."


You have nothing. It's over. If you still want to continue this witch hunt..................... go ahead. You have nothing left. You cannot justify such a bold statement like "Manny Pac has been prolific PED abuser". You can't. It's over. Done.

 

Like i have stated before there is no debate here, i was just making afew statements and primarily stating two fights which are:

1:Manny Pac has not implemented proper testing.

2:When Manny Pac was asked to implement proper drug testing he declined.

Which these two facts it is only human to accuse Manny Pac of Steriod/PED abuse. What i mean by proper drug testing is both Urine and Blood samples being taken, and also random drug testing. This is the up to date most efficient way to test for drugs in sport, which has been implemented by all the global elite sports and embraced by all their athletes as a complete obligation.

To make the bold statement that Manny Pac is a steroid abuser i agree is abit strong at this point, but with all these evidence and behaviour from Manny Pac it is more than enough to prompt a official investigation. If he is a clean athlete, and as one of the ambassadors of boxing he should implement proper drug testing into all of his fights.

Floyd Mayweather is not the authority of doping in sport, but he has been a important stimulus, to boxing new approach to drugs within the sport. The drug testing regime in boxing is in its embryonic stages, but with Floyd Mayweather influences and relentless pursuit of cleaner and fairer sport, we have seen a ripple on affect. The same thing happened in the 1980's in athletics/Olympic sport, long before Ben Johnson failed a drug test in 1988 Olympics, Carl Lewis was that stimulus that was accuses Ben Johnson of being on steroids and others. This kind of pressure from the biggest star in the sport, forced the authorities to take drug testing that step further for the good of all Olympic sports......."It was when the war of drugs truly started".....

I believe personally that Manny Pac used steroids in his move to 140/147, so it is irrelivent that you speak about his fights at 125 or 130 or whatever weight class he was fighting at before. This is my personally opinion, it is not a fact, but it is a very strong opinion.

The fact of the matter is Manny Pac as a ambassodor if boxing should implement proper drug testing, instead of avoiding the issue and telling little stories about not enjoying needles. If you are a clean athlete, you take the tests. You have stated that Manny Pac has done what was required of him, this is a completely false statement.

If Usain Bolt, Roger Federer, Leo Messi......all release statements that they where not going to implement or participate in proper drug testing, told some stories about not liking needles..? There would be complete uproar. Drugs is a serious issue in sport, it not only robs other people, it robs money from people that are doing it by the rules, and it breaks government laws.

You stated that Manny Pac has done everything that has been required of him, he has implemented no proper drug testing, why asked to do this he declined.

Below is some information on drugs in boxing.

Floyd Mayweather VS Shane Mosley, was one of the first boxing events in history to implement Olympic styled drug testing........"Mayweather also implemented this testing during his Marquez match up"......And every single Floyd Mayweather fight since has implemented this. It has had a ripple on affect throughout the sports in this country and also in america, it is eminent that more and more fights and governing bodies will be implementing more stricter tests.

http://www.usada.org/ar-sportfolio-teams

Floyd Mayweather vs Shane Mosley official USADA test results.

http://www.usada.org/mayweather-mosley/

Floyd Mayweather vs Victor Ortiz official USADA test results.

http://www.usada.org/ortiz-mayweather

You stated that Manny Pac has done everything required of him, up above is what is required and he has not implemented these proper drug test.

As a ambassadors and one of the worlds biggest fighters he has not changing the sport for the better, i don't think he will ever face Floyd Mayweather because my personally opinion is that he has no confidence at this level in this weight class without steroids. His performances have dropped dramatically, it is eminent that it will be obligation soon in boxing for all top level fighters to do Olympic styled drug testing.

Manny Pac and his team know this, and believe he has come off the steroids to see if he can still perform to optimal capacity, but its abundantly clear that he cannot, speed, stamina, power have all decline dramatically.

: Timonthy Bradley vs Manny Pac.

If Manny Pac beat Timonthy Bradley so easily how come he has declined a rematch, Roy Jones rematched Montel Griffin why on earth has Manny Pac declined that rematch...? because he did not beat him mate.

In my opinion at elite level at the welterweight division, Manny Pac is finished. He might get a shady decision against Marquez but Marquez is irrelevant at welterweight.

Any of the big guys at Welterweight would beat him, never mind 154..? but we know Manny Pac like's his catch weights so lets just forget about that.

There's not debate here, i am just making afew statements.

 

PK just got his ass well and truly

"owned...?"

 

Floyd Mayweather has NOT implemented 'proper' drug testing into boxing, he was tested by USADA which operates on a 6:1 ratio (not the Olympic standard 4:1) and was not tested for synthetic testosterone, which he is most likely using, hence multiple long layoffs, premature baldness and the fact he was bigger than Miguel Cotto for their fight but tried to deflect attention from that by claiming he was 147lbs on the night yet refusing HBO's fight night weigh-in.

 

**** me this thread just turned into 'the battle of who can write the longest post'

mind you if that was the case PK would win every time,****ing drivel after drivel after drivel,but in this instance,ero won hands down,at least you were coherent mate and always talk sense,where as PK just goes into his 'clockwork orange' mode,mad as the hatter that ****er

 

I have no doubts that both PAC and mayweather have used peds at different stages of their careers. It's not difficult to hide when you fight as infrequently as they do.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is in total denial. The only reason mayweather is so keen to get the testing done is because he's more then likely done it himself and realises that every drug has a time limit on which it's detectable. It would be very easy to use substances 3-30 weeks out depending what it was.

You can see how mayweathers body now carries a lot less muscle mass. And pacs declining performances are likely because he's trying to get clean so the fight can happen.

 

PK, we are done for now. Maybe I will get back to you later, or maybe not, but for now let me say this

Manny Pacquiao has agreed to whatever is required. Manny Pacquiao will take Olympic style drug testing if required. This is not stopping the Mayweather fight from happening.

That's not the point. We are talking specifically about Manny. If drug testing within boxing is inadequate, then it is inadequate for Manny, it is inadequate for Floyd, it is inadequate for Martinez, it is inadequate for Khan, etc, etc, etc. Manny Pacquiao is only playing by the same rules as everyone else, it's as simple as that. He is being singled out.

oh wow, with proof like this it must be conclusive. "His head has grown bigger" He must be doping right? Jesus. I have already addressed this point to PK.


No, his body fat has not stayed the same. There is a clear difference between then and now.

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No. My argument is based on facts, it's based on logic. Your argument is based on pure speculation. Open my eyes? to what? The possibility that Pac is doping? When I have already admitted he COULD BE? Okay. I'm not the one claiming his innocence as fact. You and PK are the ones claiming as a FACT that he is doping. YOU are the ones that need to bring solid proof to the table. If you can't back yourself up with solid proof, then shut the **** up. Don't be so arrogant to state a FACT without proof. Like I said, if this was a court case you wouldn't have a leg to stand on. "Bigger head" the **** outta here with that ****.


I'm sounding stupid? Nothing I have stated in my argument is outrageous or speculative. Everything I have stated, I can stand by. You armchair experts are amusing. Suddenly everyone is an expert on PEDS because of a quick google search. General forum mate.


Again, this is nothing like the Lance Armstrong case. Yeah, Puma is a big fan of Armstrong and I'm a pacfan, but unlike with Armstrong, the evidence is not there. Like I said, get back to me with a positive blood test, get back to me with eyewitness testimony under Oath, and then we can compare it to the Lance Armstrong case.

Until then, we just don't know. Pacquiao may or may not be doping. Pacquiao is not the first man to win titles in multiple weight divisions, Pacquiao did not suddenly come outta nowhere.