Kid Gavilan vs Floyd Mayweather Jr @147lbs

I can understand trying to prove a point, but to compare tarver's career to jose luis catillo's is being disingenious:deal even gatti has had a greater career then tarver.

you meant to say there were no great fighters around 168-190 who could challenge roy. this I understand completely. Ring started naming champions again in 2002, there were no great fighters in 168-190 who had established themselves as the best or even lineal of their weight classes. Not roy's fault just a weak era.

very relevant, when you consider level of comp. roy fought weaker comp for a much longer period of time then floyd did.

wrong again. list the fighters that have won more than five titles in five different weight classes in the past 30 years. there are only a handful and none have ever consistently did it consecutively:deal

historical significance:nono what floyd did has never been done before and he didn't do it against fighting bums:deal

how many fights did roy have at heavyweight, what about super middle and middleweight. the sdame logic you apply to floyd applies to roy:deal

joe calzaghe has more title defenses then roberto duran and floyd does that make him a greater fighter:hat

wrong again, you can try and short change the accomplishment but keep in mind it has never been done before by any fighter in the modern era. if ray leonard, roberto duran, and thomas hearns were so superior to floyd why couldn't they match his excellence as it relates to accomplsihments in the ring by the age of thirty. :deal

 

You stupid ****.....think anyone cares what an ******* like you thinks? You're wrong 99% of the time *** and everyone pretty much knows that. You're a joke.

 

Yes, I agree.

Jones only had one fight at HW, much like PBF did at 154. However, Jones fought 12 times at SMW and 15 times at MW, and 21 times at LHW. How's PBF doing at 135, 140, 147, and 154? Lets not get on about logic. You aren't using any to begin with.

BTW, if Ring handed out titles in 2002, then like I said, Jones couldn't have defeated the MW or SMW Ring champion, since they didn't exist when he campaigned there.

I was comparing Castillo to Hill, and Gatti to Tarver. Tarver BTW, was a better LHW than Gatti was at 140.

 

funny how you left out roy's lengthy stay at 168:deal and once again logic dictates that roy is 39 floyd is 31 of course roy will have had more fights at this time:nut

try again ****** boy, and this time make sense of what I am saying otherwise it's back to the hammer for you:beat

once again you have a gift for stating the obvious. I already acknowledged how weak 168-190 was during roy's era. that has nothing to do with floyd's era:deal

career wise gatti is greater than tarver..end of discussion:admin

 

I didn't leave it out. I just said he fought 12 times at SMW. However, I notice you haven't answered how many fights Mayweather has had at LW, JWW, WW, and JMW.

Then don't compare them. At 31, Jones still had stayed in his weight classes longer and dominated his competition better.

This statement has nothing to do with Jones being unable to fight Ring champions because they didn't exist. Your "acknowledgment" no matter how incorrect, has nothing to do with my statement. I know what you want to say, cuz you're hinting at it. But I know you know that it would invalidate Mayweathers 130 reign, so you keep trying to insinuate it instead of saying it.

If this is your story, then I submit that Hill and McCallum are greater than Castillo and Gatti. Thanks for playing.

 

they can be compared especially when you talk about domination of competition. what was roy's competition at 154,160,168,175. how many hofers and p4p fighters did he defeat during that time span.


and to give you a head start you listed virgil hill and mike mccallum I would add hopkins and toney as well. so far I count four potential hofers.

floyd has defeated corrales,castillo,gatti,hatton, and oscar.

when you compare floyd's domination of his hofer's compared to roy floyd has the definitive edge.

 

Please stop now.

Gatti? HoF? Can I count Pazienza too then? Or Reggie Johnson (he has won as many titles and has as many defenses as Gatti does) Gatti is not a HoF fighter.

Anyways. Based on domination of HoF's, Jones is further ahead than PBF is even more in this catagory. First off, because 3 of Jones HoF are ATG and only one of PBF's is. And secondly Jones lost less rounds against the four he fought combined than PBF lost to fighting Castillo. Jones was far more dominant over those four than PBF was over the 4 you mentioned.

 

Sweet pea is a ****ing moron. He was probably smoking crack with his boy whittaker when he writes these posts.

Roy jones better defensively then Floyd. Roy Jones is more athletically gifted then Floyd, is true, the only fighter of the last 20 years I'd rate above Floyd p4p wise. But once his athletica superiority went, he started getting his ass knocked the **** out. Brutally. Floyd on the other hand a is a defensive master, a genius, a scientist in the art of not getting hit. Thats why he has the lowest hit to not get hit ratio probably in boxing history. His opponents average about 8 landed punches per round lol. You moron, that like saying because Michael Vick is bigger and stronger he's a better quarterback then Tom Brady. You prove yourself more of a joke and Floyd hater everytime you take the crack pipe from your lips. Cotto or Williams beating Floyd lmao.

Amsterdam is an even bigger moron. Kessler better then all the competition Floyds faced? That Dutch one hit wonder? Tht eurobum? That one dimensional chump lol?

Listen if Floyd wanted to be like Calzaghe and fight bums the rest of his career, he would have stayed at super feather and dominated that division for 20 years. But know, he secured his legacy by going after the bigger and better fighters. He has Atg's on his record? Who the **** does Calzaghe got so far? Lacy lmao. Mafredo? Kessler? Get the **** out of here.

 

Source?

And in Jones prime, he got hit less than Mayweather did, I'd be willing to make an avatar bet with you on it. It doesn't matter what TYPE of defense Jones was using, reflexes, skills, etc. It only matters that it was effective. No one said he had the most textbook defense. Get back to us when Mayweather is 34 yrs old and slowing down. Then we will have an accurate comparison, since you want to elude to Jones out of prime fights to make your case.

 

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Oh and I was wrong

Floyds opponents land an average of 5 punches per round. Silly me.

So who has the better defense again? Like I said, comparing Floyd to Roy Jones is like comparing Vick to Brady, one won on natural ability, the other wins on technique. And as the stats show, Floyd technique outlcasses Jones ability.

 

Danish, belgian, Bosnian who gives a ****. **** is still **** no matter what nationality it is.

"Im a wiking" "Im a wiking" "Everyone is a wiking in Denmark"

Lmao. If thats an example of a Viking, then I guess Beowulfs only weakness is a pair of boxing gloves.

 

Just because you are an ignorent ****** who know's nothing of any other culture does not mean that you have the right to try to rip it and fail miserably might I add.:good

 

Yeah but Chinny Judy went the distance with Floydy toidy. Mayweather UD.

 

When talking about who is better defensively Floyd or Roy, let me ask you this. Who was the only fighter in the history of compubox and maybe the sport of boxing, to complete a round without being touched. Answer: Roy, and he was against a fighter by the name of Vinny Pazienza.