Kid Gavilan vs Floyd Mayweather Jr @147lbs

Well yeah obviously, that's kind of our point. atsch

 

Half of what you posted is pure speculation, and expected since you don't seem to think anyone can beat him. As a Jones fan, a boxer who was more dominant than PBF is now, ANYONE can be beaten.

Your last statement is a play on the truth. PBF needed to leave 130. He dominated there. However, he had no reason to leave 135 and would have been better served to clean out that division than to move up. If he had, his legacy would be far more complete. At 140 he did little, which was not entirely his fault, but it IS his fault he was there. And at 147, he has yet to fight a top rated WW since winning the title. His legacy would again be more complete staying at WW and fighting the best there since it is a stacked division, then moving up to 154 to fight money fights with an aged DLH. Point is, it is often better to stay in your division to clean it out, than to move up and claim titles, especially when the champion is weak. It would have been a tougher road for PBF to stay in some of those weight classes instead of moving up. Moving up doesn't automatically mean tougher.

 

Thanks for proving you're a woman beater like your favorite fighter. I'd rather smoke stones than beat my woman to make myself feel bigger, being as I duck all the real challenges in the ring. Floyd clearly won the fight yes, and was ahead on the cards. I don't care if Hatton didn't do any significant compubox damage in the first half of the fight, he still roughed Floyd up, and Floyd was by no means fighting his own fight. From around the 7th to 10th rounds is when Floyd took over. Hatton may not have landed anything significant in the first half, but Floyd was damn near purely defensive. You're probably one of the guys who though he shut out De La Hoya as well.

He won't last longer because he won't fight as long, as long as there are actual challenges like Cotto and Williams.

Cotto wouldn't provide any challenge? I'll bet on Cotto if that fight is ever made. Mayweather also got rocked by Corley you chump, Judah as well. And the way to beat Floyd is most certainly technical pressure. Think a bigger, stronger, harder hitting, better version of Castillo against a slower Floyd. That spells trouble.

Still has yet to take on the best comp at WW. Let him fight Cotto and my tune will change, if he manages to beat Cotto.

 

Instinct, reflexes, nor god given athletic ability can account for moving out of the way of a punch. You have to know WHERE to move, otherwise you would move INTO the punch half the time. That also means Jones diagnosed the punch, also a skill, not something that can be accounted for naturally. And lastly, moving out of the way of the punch and staying in position to counter is not instinct. It's all learned in the gym and is skill.

Tell me how any of those 3 qualities can account for what I just said.

 

Roughed Floyd up? How? Floyd was the one catching Hatton with blows. Floyd didnt have a scratch on him after the fight. Hatton had a swollen red face, with a big ass gash over his eye. Floyd roughed Hatton up. You are just grasping at straws now, or crack pipes, whatever lol. The point being, Floyd thoroughly dominated that fight, it went the way he said it would go, and managed it to a TKO 10th round victory.

The De La Hoya was another easy by the book victory. As I said, a muther****er could work his ass off going for the 5th round knock out, and get bloodied in return (see Cotto vs Corley) Floyd on the other hand coasted to a pretty easy victory. It was 8-4 at best. Oscar rarely landed anything meaningful when he did penetrate Floyds defense. Floyd should have went for the kill in the championship rounds. Oscar was done.

Floyd got hit by Corley, then went against the ropes and let Corley punch himself out. Corely put Cotto on ***** street. If Corley was smart he could have got a TKO, because Cotto was dazed for the rest of the round. 2 completely different things between getting hit and getting your ass dazed. Got rocked by Judah? Where? Again he got hit, let Judah punch himself out, then won the fight. Cotto got rocked an had to ball punch Judah to survive. Cotto defense is too weak. Castillo has good d, Cotto gets hit far to often. Floyd would pick him apart.

If Cotto wants to beat floyd he better hope Floyd tears his rotator cuff.

Cotto lmao. Thats it? With all the hate you spew from those crack lips? Too easy.

 

I clearly explained. It was competitive for the first half of the fight, then Floyd started to take over, get his groove, and pot-shot, as well as outdo Hatton on the inside. For the first half of the fight, he was adapting and fighting defensively. So regardless of whether or not Hatton was doing a lot of damage, he was the one doing the work, while Floyd played defense. I'm sorry, but that is not dominating.

It was 7-5 for Floyd. I had DLH up 4 rounds to 4 after 7, at which case Oscar just seemed to turn off and Floyd took over.

So, you do realize how biased you are, right? He was hit with a clean shot and clearly hurt, he then covered up while Corley went off, but he was in such a tight shell Corley was unable to pentrate it. Good instincts from Floyd, doesn't change the fact that Corley rocked him.

Judah should've scored a legit knockdown for one, and he hit Floyd with some good shots that snapped his head straight back as well. Cotto didn't hit Judah low any time close to when he was hurt, so that excuse is BS.

Cotto's defense was good enough to allow him to outbox Shane and not take any punishment. Castillo didn't have very good D either, no better than Cotto's, if even as good. Cotto has every other edge on Castillo as well.

Ok, let him fight Cotto instead of an old man he's already beaten. He said he doesn't need to prove himself anymore when confronted with fighting Cotto, then when DLH comes up again, he jumps on it. He's a scheming cherry-picker.

 

and what do you call cotto fighting gomez:deal

 

Roy and Floyd actually average about the same amount of punches per round. As far as Floyd not being able to hold an opponent without a punch in a round while being the offensive aggessor, that's debateable. In Floyd's fight with Rios back at 130, he was the offensive aggresor and Rios didn't land a punch for the first 2:30 minutes of one of the rounds. I think Rios ended up landing 2 punches that round. Anyway, it's close enough where your argument that he could never do it is debateable.

 

Someone waiting for his next big fight, being as it's temporarily delayed.

 

So now it went from being Floyd getting roughed up to it being competitive.

Watch the first half of the fight again. Floyd won rounds 1, 2, 3 and 4 clearly. Well one was a toss up before Floyd landed 3 striaght head shots to end the round. Notice that by looking at the Right hand leads Floyd through that snapped Hattons head back like a jack in the box and opened a hug gash over his right eye. Hatton didnt land anything, Floyd landed head snapping right leads. Vis a vis. Floyd dominated the way he wanted too. Pot shot hatton until he got tired then finished him off. There was no roughing up lol. Hatton got merked on the inside, by elbows and upper cuts. An easy night for Floyd.

I'd give you that barely. I've seen this fight about 5 or 6 times, and it was close through the first 7 then Floyd completely took over. I had him winning the last 5 pretty easily.

Nonsense. He hit Floyd, the force of the blow knocked him back into the ropes. You can call it a rock, but it wasn a ***** street punch. Floyd knew where he was at, he knew is surroundings, he wasnt close to being KO'd like Cotto was. I mean Cotto got by by the skin of his teeth. If Corely was smart, that fight should have been over.

More nonsense. Judah caught Floyd once when Floyd was going in and Floyd touched his glove to the ground, it was more Floyd going forward off balance then Judah's punch. The only thing you have closed to what Judah did to Cotto blooding him up and rocking him is in the 2nd round when he caught Floyd and like Corely Floyd drew him in and Judah punched himself out. You see thats the difference. Floyd does this on design. Cotto gets rocked because he has no D.

Castillo was an inside fighter. Cotto is more of a boxer. By technique Castillo was far better defenisively then Cotto. Sorry, Cotto's been rocked 3 times. By fighters with not half the skills of Floyd. He fought shane off of him. He didnt outbox him. Again another fighter he beat by the skin of his teeth. Compare that to Floyd and De La Hoya.

Floyds gonna make 20 mil fighting De La Hoya. Fi you werent on the pipe you'd know what a smart move that is for Floyd. Cotto ducked Floyd before. And even when the fight was a possibiltiy Arum was going after De La Hoya as well. Arum knows Cotto would lose to Floyd so thats why he's not issuing any challenges Floyds way. Cotto is supposed to chase Floyd, Cotto took Gomez instead lmao.

 

Well said. While Floyds averages 6% points less punches against, he is only 2% points behind Roy in accuracy. :good

 

Its called Arum being smart. He knows that he kept Cotto locked away for years so Floyd couldnt get to him. He's not gonna risk his cash cow calling Floyd out yet.

 

Cotto boxed in one fight, his fight with Shane. Now he is a boxer? Castillo was not far better defensively? Based on what? Getting KO'd by a one dimensional puncher in Corrales? Cotto has been rocked, at 140, where he was clearly weaker. Floyd has been rocked as well, the fact that you try to sugarcoat it because you like Floyd doesn't change it. I had Cotto CLEARLY beating Shane, Shane not winning more than 3 clear rounds. I had Oscar winning 4 clear rounds and another. Oscar/Floyd was the closer fight. There is a big difference between aggression and effective aggression, and what Shane was doing was NOT effective aggression. It was coming forward and getting tagged at every turn.

It's a smart move if you're more interested in money than your legacy. Which Floyd is.

Cotto never ducked Floyd. Floyd is the one constantly ducking even mentioning Cotto in interviews for ****'s sake, constantly bringing up retirement anytime someone mentions Cotto. And then when Cotto has decided to move on, what does Floyd do? Make a fight with an old, shot fighter he's already beat! Wow, what a guy!

See above. Floyd took Oscar instead of Cotto.