Kid Gavilan vs Floyd Mayweather Jr @147lbs

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  1. bigtime9

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    well vindication was necessary and floyd got it by beating the "so-called" best fighter at 140 ricky hatton. after the zoo victory everyone was estatic about hatton. he was named ring fighter of the year in 2005:scaredas: and was the ring champ at 140.

    you have ****s like kg who ran areound talking about how floyd didn't fight the real champ at 140 like he did at 130, 135, and 147. after kicking hatton's ass floyd can now say he defeated the best from 130-154. and no one can say other wise:deal
     
  2. McGrain

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    I am so sick of hearing this from boxing people.

    If you can't actually SEE with your own eyes, the difference between Hatton at 140 and Hatton at 147, I certainly can't help you. 7 pounds can be the whole world.

    You make it out to be relative. "Mayweather is a small welter." It's NOT relative. It's about how excess weight affects speed and stamina, it's about inaffective trainging camps aimed at an unatural weight a given fighter isn't experienced in.

    You fight at the weight, you live and die at the weight, but this idea that a win at 147 equates to a win at 140 is total BS.
     
  3. McGrain

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    Look, i'm not going to do this with you, I can see that you are one of "those" guys. There's a serious difference, relative only to the fighter himself between 140 and 147. It should be pretty straight forward really.
     
  4. bigtime9

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    floyd started at 130 is that bs:deal
     
  5. McGrain

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    No sir.

    But Mayweather having beaten the best at 140 because he's beaten Hatton at 147 IS.

    Hatton at 147 is not as good as Hatton at 140. That's it. That's all. Mayweather is BETTER than Hatton at 140, Mayweather would BEAT Hatton at 140 (in my opinion) but you can't go around asigning wins at weights where those fights didn't happen. That's a fact.
     
  6. bigtime9

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    make sense:admin floyd defeated ricky at 147 would the outcome have been different at 140. you are arguing a technicality:deal


    I didn't assign anything, floyd is superior to hatton at any weight:smoke there is no arguing whther it be 140 or 147 hatton is an inferior fighter to floyd.

    now in a historical context floyd defeated the "best" 140 fighter in hatton. no matter the weight he did it he beat him. he did what no other fighter in hatton's 43 fights could do. he not only beat him he knocked him the **** out.

    if floyd said tommorrow he was moving back to 140 would hatton still be considered the best at 140:deal
     
  7. Sweet Pea

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    He did get roughed up. Hatton's styling was to rough Mayweather up, though Floyd was landing the cleaner punches.

    I have seen both fights. Oscar was the aggressor in their fight, and within the first 7 rounds, it was a very close fight, you've admitted this yourself, I had Oscar up 4 rounds to 3. Floyd took over afterwards, when he did most of his effective work. Which is where most of the disparity came from. There was no point in the Shane/Cotto fight where Shane looked like he'd walk away with it.
     
  8. Sweet Pea

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    :lol:
     
  9. Sweet Pea

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    Exactly, and this is coming from someone who was rooting for Shane. Cotto was landing the clean shots and doing the effective work throughout the fight. I guess punchstat counted the punches Mosley landing to Cotto's arms and back.
     
  10. bigtime9

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    what did hatton do boxing wise to rough floyd up..

    this should be fun:deal
     
  11. kg0208

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    :|:|:|

    BTW, I never ran around saying that. Just corrected you when you tried to lie. Much like I about to now. Mayweather didn't fight the best fighter at 154. By your own admission, DLH was the #3 fighter rated by Ring. Lying again....rather predictable.
     
  12. kg0208

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    Why are you adding conditions on to it already? "Boxing wise"...:rofl:rofl:rofl

    He said he roughed him up. If you're saying he didn't, out with it then. Why ask a fake question with a qualifier?
     
  13. Sweet Pea

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    When did I say he did anything "boxing wise"?

    When did Floyd do anything "holding and hitting and roughing" wise against Hatton?

    This should be fun.:deal
     
  14. bigtime9

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    what did hatton do to "rough" floyd up..

    don't worry I'll wait:deal
     
  15. Sweet Pea

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    Took him off his game by pressuring him and using roughing tactics, such as hitting everywhere he could and throwing a high volume of punches. Regardless if they were landing cleanly or not, Floyd wasn't winning rounds by being defensive either. That's what you Floyd fans do, you always talk about how his opponent was being ineffective, but refuse to realize that Floyd was doing nothing but taking it. Very competitive fight for the first half. Floyd adapted and turned it around in the second half.