Kid Gavilan vs Floyd Mayweather Jr @147lbs

You can't hold Castillo and Corrales against him. They were the top fighters in their division, and Corrales was picked to beat PBF and rated higher P4P by Ring before the fight.

You are a bit.....um, extreme Amsty.

 

But perhaps what pisses me off more than Joy Boy fans claiming that he's superior to Jones, as horrifically ridiculous as that is, is when even a good majority give Joy Boy a chance of passing the great Pernell Whitaker.

Does Whitaker struggle with Castillo?

I seem to remember him outclassing a fighter 2 levels up in JCC without too much trouble only to be robbed.

'Sweet Scientist' made a great comment in saying 'I suppose Floyd looks top 40 if you really believe he's undefeated'.:yep

 

Get the **** out. Calzaghe is where he is b/c what.....he CANT LOOK GOOD. It took him ****ing 40 fights to finally look good in the ring and not fall around everywhere all sloppy and ****. He is a ****ing generic fighter compared to the pedigree of a Floyd and Roy. He aint ****. He cant even throw a proper punch and blames him hurting his hands for not knocking out obvious bums like Lacy, Manfredo, Baika...etc..etc..You know why he hurts his hands...b/c he does not throw a punch properly. The ingrate is goofy looking in the ring with his clumsy ass almost falling on his face. He gets DROPPED by lesser opponents and gets the **** rocked out of him if he tries to get cute in the ring...lol. He been hurt PLENTY of times in the Kessler fight alone. But robotnic could not even change up his offense and apply any different pressure but setting up the same damned right hand...over and over and over.....and over.... ****ing clueless ****s.

 

I don't, those were fine fights to take, but I was just making the point to a Floyd nuthugger that Floyd has fought no multi-dimensional fighters.

But I can absolutely hold DLH and Hatton against him.

 

I never said RJ didnt have technical ability.......I said Floyd had better defense because he uses reflexes AND he uses his gloves to block punches.

I think RJ has incredible skill.....but I think Floyd is better...RJ has better power...Floyd had better ring generalship and defense in my opionion.

 

As Brooklyn said, let's not get extreme, especially considering you've stated otherwise on the above topic before.

 

But do you concede that RJJ was more naturally talented, given my points? You've basically said it yourself.

 

Only Kessler never struggled with B level fighters mate, some guys tend to forget that fact in that even though Cotto is one of the best fighters in the world, he had some round dropping and some issue's against the same level of guys that Kessler was taking nearly every round brutally clean over.

No, Kessler sucks, and becoming the first Undisputed Champ in a fairly deep division at age 35 is no showing of the quality fighter that you are in skill and ability.:yep

 

What do you consider defense? Getting hit less or solely having the ability to block punches?

Floyd does not have the better ring generalship. Castillo was making Floyd fight his fight in the second half of their fight and Hatton was getting inside, albeit he wasn't terribly effective. Nobody could get Roy to fight their fight when he was at his best. Would he have struggled with Castillo? Would he have some difficulties before adjusting to Judah, Hatton, and De La Hoya?

No, he dominated James Toney, Bernard Hopkins, and Virgil Hill

 

True...Cotto has dropped rounds to B levels more than Kessler

Kessler only dropped 5-6 rounds before the Calzaghe fight. A sure sign of being an elite fighter.

Calling him a bum is comical

 

Sometimes you have to hold back to even get people to see any validity to your analysis. After viewing the Hatton and Castillo fights closely, I'm pretty much taking any significant technical fighter who can really bring pressure and workrate over Floyd, he simply cannot deal with an effective swarmer/pressure fighter and Calzaghe is as skilled a workrate swarmer as they come and more versatile overall.

 

Its a difference between fighting SOLID championship caliber fighters like Judah/Castillo/Corrales WHO ACTUALLY HAD REIGNS AS CHAMPIONS AND HAD WHAT GIMP...LONGEVITY......Calzaghe beat a guy with 18 fights that blew away the 168 WEAK ASS division in a few years. He beat a ONE DIMENSIONAL robot Kessler who he has the style advantage for being as though Kessler cant move his ****ing upper body if his life depended on it and his attack is in straight lines. He struggled with bums. He got put on his ass by bums...Floyd...never barely been ****ing hurt in a fight. HE MOVED UP IN WEIGHT AND BEAT CHAMPIONS AT HIGHER DIVISIONS. Not some weak ass 168 division which has been ****ing weak and cornball since the BIG BOYS left.

 

Perhaps Mayweather used his gloves to block punches because he couldn't get out of the way of many of those punches he chose to block. Perhaps his choices were limited to "Block the punch" or "get hit" whereas Jones had all three choices. Holding your hands up doesn't leave your hands free for counterpunching. Sidestepping or slight head movement dodging the punches entirely does.

You also assume Jones couldn't block punches with his gloves simply because he didn't. What do you think it harder? Blocking, or moving out of the way entirely. Or in Jones case, seeing the guy is getting ready for a punch, then simply hitting him before he gets it off and throwing him off balance, something Jones often did.

What is your premise for PBF having better ring generalship than Prime Jones?