Kid Gavilan vs Sugar Ray Leonard At WW

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Kid Gavilan vs Sugar Ray Leonard At WW

  1. Gavilan By PTS

    5 vote(s)
    23.8%

  2. Gavilan By KO/TKO

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  3. Draw

    1 vote(s)
    4.8%

  4. Leonard By PTS

    14 vote(s)
    66.7%

  5. Leonard By KO/TKO

    1 vote(s)
    4.8%
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  1. The Kentucky Cobra

    The Kentucky Cobra Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    He was 29 years old. We know what date the fight took place on, we know Duran's birth date, why try to portray his age as an estimate?

    And he slowed down naturally. Duran peaked as a fighter at Light Weight.

    Stick to actual subject.

    I don't understand what you are saying and what it has to do with what I said.

    I contend that it is erroneous to claim that a "prime and ready" welterweight Sugar Ray Leonard can only be defeated in theory because he was defeated in reality.

    Sugar Ray Leonard was defeated by Robert Duran. Rather some feel he approached the fight wrong strategically in hindsight or not..does not matter. A prime and ready Sugar Ray Leonard was defeated at Welterweight. This is a fact.
     
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  2. The Kentucky Cobra

    The Kentucky Cobra Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I always found this disrespectful to both fighters. Leonard wasn't a robot, he was dynamic, he adjusted to his opponents. He didn't just try one thing and fall on that sword. Look at the multiple strategies he employed against Bentiez and Hearns, he had to find something that works, and he couldn't do that consistently against Duran. He tried many things in Montreal.
     
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  3. McGrain

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    I think the point is moot anyway. The idea that tactical execution is somehow an unreasonable factor when appraising the fights is itself unreasonable. Every fighter who ever lost - ever - can fall back on the notion that if he had fought differently he might have done better. And it's probably true in the majority of occasions anyway. Ring IQ and generalship are absolutely key factors in every fight that's ever been fought. If you come up short in such an area it's not different to coming up short in speed or stamina. A fight is as much about these factors as it is about power.
     
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  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I concur!
     
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  5. TheOldTimer

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    Easy as that?
    Did you know Gavilan was never stopped in his whole career in 145 fights?
     
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  6. TheOldTimer

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    I see Gavilan matching or exceeding Leonard for speed and boxing skill for long periods, and unlike he did with Hearns Leonard won't be able to impose himself on the much tougher Gavilan who gave Ray Robinson one of his toughest fights at welterweight.
    There would be no knockout for either and I favour Gavilan clearly over 12 or 15 rounds, although it wouldn't a massive shock if Leonard made it very close.
     
    TheOldTimer, Apr 18, 2017
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  7. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Gavilan makes Leonard work for his' W' over 15 rounds.

    A chess match, which sees Leonard pulling away during the latter half of the bout.
     
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  8. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Robinson couldn't stop The Kid in two fights. Leonard is not doing it.
     
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  9. joe brown

    joe brown Keep it Simple Full Member

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    this is a great fight both have fast hands and can box as well as going toe to toe I think Leonard should turn this into a box off that way I believe he wins. If they go toe to toe I think gavilan can over whelm Leonard with his work rate. Leonard by decision a very tough and close fight
     
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