Kid Gavilan

Nah, Gavilan has as many quality scalps at middleweight as he has at 147. Big punchers like Lausse as well.

 

He enjoyed quite a bit of success against larger foes, yes. He was, however, rather thin in the arms and legs, which was the point I was trying to make. He doesn't favorably compare to Leonard or Robinson in terms of physical size- certainly not to the more modern De La Hoya.

Though their body types may vary, in his prime I'd say he carried the same overall bulk as a Curry, Napoles, Basilio, or Pacquiao.

Obviously, talent is no question, but there's also no denying he was an under-sized welterweight. At his level, it's true it doesn't play as big a role. But a stickler would point out that that may hurt or hinder his chances nonetheless, especially against the upper echelon of what amounts to a higher weight classification (let that not be confused with a certain Oscar).

These days, I rate him along with the guys I mentioned in the second paragraph. It's my own weird idiosyncrasy. Of course you've still got a competitive list of names if you lump them all together, but it isn't, strictly speaking, fair.

 

I know what you're saying but Gavilan was very strong he was, like Curry, long in the arms.

De La Hoya was not stronger IMO. I see you didn't want to include him quite in the upper echelon, but just to touch on him anyway, Gavilan's gas tank is so superior to his.

I do agree but a lot of modern 'welterweights' would not be in Gavilan's time (goes for any weight really with only a few exceptions)

 

I promise I didn't do it.

And trust me all the way to heavy man, don't worry, everything "will be okay"

 

I chose no cause modern nutrition.

Bertoe gets to him.

Broner clubs him to death with his brush.

 

I have him number 4. Same "tier" of greatness as numbers 2-7, then based on my h2h estimation I place Leonard and Napoles above him. I did rank him above Armstrong though, not sure if I still agree with that or not :think:

 

Napoles' skin let's him down in H2H comparisons. Big enough factor for him to lose to lesser talents like Backus.

 

:rofl

 

:-(

I've never heard of half of these guys.

Although Flea is clearly underrating Kelly Brook.

 

She has a better, ahem, one-two than Kell :yep

 

I agree 100%. Gavilan is the epitome of a slashing and choppy puncher.

EDIT: Let's not forget how amazing Mantequilla was. He's much smaller than most of the guys mentioned and not really a natural welter, even in his day. And he still had the balls to **** with Monzon. A Monzon that fleed the post fight drug test :yep :deal