Kid Norfolk v Lloyd Marshall

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  1. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    @ Light Heavy.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    A meaningful pick may be impossible given the cross-era comparison and the dearth of footage.

    I'll pick Norfolk under his rules by stoppage and Marshall by DQ under his rules. Ha.
     
  3. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Im interested in seeing what others have to say here.
     
  4. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't know much about Norfolk only that he fought a couple of British fighters at the end of his career which also happened to Lloyd Marshall.
    I'd read about the famous Marshall shoulder roll when I was boxing in the 70s but had never seen it.
    When I eventually did see this all time great giving Freddie a good pasting, the American was supposedly the lamb being sacrificed to fearless Freddie.
    Wow Marshall was superb, he battered Mills from pillar to post and the shoulder roll was as good as I'd read.
     
  5. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Marshall could time and land dynamite on Norfolk...but in the end I think I lean towards Norfolk's physicality and mauling closing the gap...especially in a longer scheduled distance fight. Imo...in a ten rounder, Marshall might escape with a win...longer than ten rounds? Marshall might be carried out...
     
  6. Tippy

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    Marshall could possibly outmaneuver Norfolk and take the win, Norfolk was tough strong and the naturally bigger guy though

    Would partly depend on if he could impose those aspects on Marshall

    ill come back to this one hope it gets more replies, leaning more towards Norfolk right now though
     
  7. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Marshalls best days were probably as a middleweight when he punched Ezzard Charles all over the ring and out-pointed Burley and LaMotta.
    Even when he was in his 30s when he wrecked Freddie Mills he was only at the modern super middle weight.
    Good match up though
     
  8. Tippy

    Tippy Member Full Member

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    any more opinions on this one?
     
  9. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Marshall was a ring mechanic with real power ,but his chin sometimes let him down.
    He was brought over to the Uk to lose to Freddie Mills but ended up caning him .
    Mills still got his title shot,Marshall didn't.
    I believe Marshall's management was ,shall we say "shady ," how much this impacted on his results I don't know.

    Norfolk is a fighter I'm not qualified to give a definitive opinion on.His results seem to indicate he was something special and it's hard to know how much he was sidelined from title opportunities.

    He was known as a dirty fighter ,at just 5'8" ,often fighting larger men , he may have felt the need to," even things up a bit".
    He seems to have begun as a pro when he was 15 years old, so his win loss record is not a reliable indicator of his abilities imo. No pick from me.
     
  10. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    how many top fighters in those days had shady manager figures ??
    The immediate post war period had some really really great fighters, some of whom had had upward of 60 fights before getting a sniff of a title.
    Its even been suggested than Marcel Cerdan had to make certain 'sacrifices' to get his chance at Tony Zale
    Sugar Ray Robinson got castigated for 'squeezing promoters' but who could blame him and Rocky Marciano got flak for being economical with his money but after the thousands of hard luck stories who could blame him either.
     
  11. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What quality that division had in that era,eh ? Marvelous.
     
  12. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Steve they were superb, the tricks and skills they had!!!!!!