Kid Norfolk vs Bill Tate?

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  1. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't mean that he had a great jab or even a good jab, I meant that he has a jab, because it's about the only punch he threw from what I saw, outside of a couple of wild right hand attempts.

    Perhaps he found it difficult to deal with such a short opponent. How would Valuev for example deal with someone who's 5'8 or 5'9? Especially if the opponent was doing their best to make himself even shorter as Norfolk was doing. Tate just couldn't get off at all.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Maybe; but look at his control of distance. Norfolk edges in and he doesn't even move back, out, sideways, watever it is....he just lets him edge in and hit him. I don't mean to go overboard but he really does look like a club fighters.

    Maybe I owe it a second view. But you have a similar impression? I mean I pressed go excited about seeing KN and just ended up jaw dropping at how bad Tate was.
     
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    I mean............after Norfolk throws that left for the 20th time you think Tate would've figured out a way to at least not get hit by it. The way Norfolk muscles him around after landing it every time is strange too.

    Tate=Not that impressive.
     
  4. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was mostly looking at what Norfolk was doing and didn't pay much attention to Tate, who was basically doing whatever he could to survive the distance. There's a lot to criticize about his non-effort but I'd give credit to Norfolk for being a quick, explosive fighter who was overwhelming a man 50 lbs heavier and 10 inches taller than him.

    I don't think Tate was outrageously bad or anything. He actually reminds me of Jess Willard a lot in the early rounds against Jack Johnson. Flat-footed, defensive and occasionally throwing the jab. Willard of course turned it up late in the fight while Tate never did.
     
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    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you want to see something truly horrible then watch Lovell's effort against Joe Bugner:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZNUrHpnI34[/ame]


    He is hilariously bad for a veteran of 40+ fights who also scored some decent wins.
     
  6. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thanks a lot of this have wanted to see Norfolk fight for ages.
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol:

    Holy ****.


    I do disagree with your Willard-Tate comparison though:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp7IoSvrgAI[/ame]

    Willard leads with the right,leads with the jab, seems very very awayre of distance in applying pressure, is able, as the bigger man, to hold his own in clinche, and just flat out seems inovled in the fight in a way Tate flat out is not. Was Bill possibly on the take here? Any speculation?
     
  8. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To be honest I did contemplate that possibility when first watching the fight, but then there's no real proof outside of Tate's lacking performance and Norfolk was doing a good job with his boxing.
     
  9. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Mcgrain,


    Couldn't look any worse than Keene Simmons could he? :lol:


    Simmon is AWFUL

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cORMVijZh1k[/ame]
    A swarmer who doesn't know how to fight inside :lol:
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what i thought when I saw him. He just swarm in and then stands there.
     
  11. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    :lol:
     
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    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nobody at the time rated Tate and only the footage v Dempsey brought him to our notice now.
     
  13. Flea Man

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    Who's your avi? Peter Maher?
     
  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, how was able to land so many big fights with this being the case? I mean here he is on a huge card against one of the world's leading men...seems bizarre.

    Maybe some interest in his size?
     
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    Fantastic find, you are an unsung hero :good