Kinshasa Ali v Tokyo Douglas

Truly he was the greatest of us.

 

Godzilla had nothing left by that point after the wars with King Ghidorah, Mecha-Godzilla, and the Smogmonster.

Douglas by SD.

 

Tokyo Douglas would have been a totally different kettle of fish for any version of Ali.

 

Honestly I think Douglas looked better than Ali did in their respective fights. That could be due to the quality of the opposition at that time, but still.

His jab seemed sharper, he used the uppercut to far greater effect, he controlled the center of the ring whereas Ali gave ground often for no apparent reason and lay on the ropes way too much, and Buster threw the left hook with some authority whereas Ali once again relied pretty much only on the jab and right hand. Barely a left hook was thrown by Ali at all.

The comparison seems quite blasphemic to begin with, then becomes almost comical when you realise that Buster doesn't suffer in comparison at all. Not on that night in Tokyo at any rate.

So I think that version of Douglas makes Ali look rather **** to be honest. Ali's intangibles are far stronger but Buster's style would make him look poor.

 

Very few past ATG would have beaten the Foreman Ali fought that day. He was young, incredibly strong, quick with KO power in each fist. He was fully motivated to destroy Ali and after round one was on his way to do so. Ali still found a way to win. Ali in 74 was still an ATG and he beats the very ordinary Douglas quite easily. Very different game plan certainly vs the one so successful vs big George.

 

I hate these claims of blasphemy. If Buster was on the move and made Ali come to him, something Muhammad rarely had to do, he'd have given Ali a lot of trouble and possibly won.

But, I think the best way to answer these questions is in examining the quality of opponent. And though Foreman fought a poor fight, I think he was still more dangerous than Tyson was when he fought Douglas.

So, if Ali beat the more formidable opponent, it makes sense to pick him, but I think Douglas is a bad style and dangerous match-up for him.

 

Being equal in both age & w8 aside, Kinshasa 4man woz nower nir ez deinjeres ez Tokyo Tyson. Sam singz wer rong wiz him. Bi'ing dehydr8d , possibly dragd, laif sretend, meybi slip dipreivd 2 nd wu nowz wot els?

 

I have seen you write normally frankenfrank. It is really hard to understand you when you write as above. Why on earth do this? Don't you want to be understood?

Anyway from what i can comprehend:
I never heard Foreman was dehydrated in Zaire. I think you confused that with the Young fight in '77.
His claim of being drugged does not seem tenable. He has always been wildly varying in claims about tons of things, & had much trouble dealing psychologically with the fight.
And where is even the claim he was sleep deprived? He was upset by Ali & the reception he received in Africa, but that does not mean he should not have been more self-disciplined & not let it bother him to the extent that it effected his performance.

And the poor strategy he had. Ali's pulling down on his neck must have tired him earlier than otherwise though.

 

Foreman put all his claims to bed at the start of his comeback. He stated that he was searching for excuses when he lost to Ali. There were no drugs, loose ropes were not an issue, there was no conspiracy for him to lose. He stated as follows....."Ali was a big strong fighter and he hit me with what seemed like 500 right hands. It is just so much any fighter can take." Let's not dwell on crazy excuses any longer.

 

Ali was the contender that night.

Big George was the champ.

 

Seems like u read it quite right.
4man's fight vs Ali is similar 2 his fight vs Young, but i did not confuse diz fights.
Did u 4get z story about 4man complaining of bi'ing D-haidr8ed and thirsty until hi got samsing from 1 of his treiners wum was sin jast e fiu f8s l8er at Ali's corner?
Did u 4get z pro Ali "atmosphere" in Zaire ?
daz it not sim weird zat z contender woz z 1 "kolin z shots" rigarding z lokeishen of z f8?
Z lus rowps pleyd e crucial role in zat f8 end u ken rid mor ebawt it nd zis f8 in general end may replais 2 kleims laik ur kleims in may past sred ebawt it hir :
http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=211663

Rigarding slip dipreivd, 4man himself mait not hev bin ewer of it end i m not shur ebaut it. Anshur ebaut z drags akuzeishen 2.
Bat plenty of sings wer rong ebawt zis f8 4 shur.
Enazer sing woz z contender bi'ing alwad 2 chit (pulling z head dawn)

 

I meant Douglas would be the younger, hungrier guy vs Ali.

Although Ali wasnt the champ, in a potential Ali-Douglas fight, Ali would be seen as the favourite and Douglas as the 'challenger'.