Kirk's Championship Boxing Prediction League 2016

kirk · Nov 25, 2016

drenlou said: ↑

Yeah Kirk, it's best to rewatch, that way you can have a better assessment of the fight.
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Will do man

CST80 · Nov 25, 2016

kirk said: ↑

Hey gang, hope everyone had a good thanksgiving.... had a few thoughts about the fight lol... nothing major, but just wanted to vent slightly.

I like Ward a lot, I personally think that at his minimum weight (168) he is unbeatable by anyone who is not themselves an all time great at that weight. I consider him a very rare master of the ring. I absolutely have him on par with Mayweather and Hopkins in terms of his ring IQ. I love what he does.

That being said.... (and let me say that I definitely have to rescore the fight, maybe I got caught up in the moments and so I definitely think I should rescore it) but, I do have a hard time seeing how Ward -won- that fight. If someone wants to argue for a draw, fine... I wouldn't argue too hard on it. I could compromise on that. But having Ward winning that fight? Taking Kovalevs titles and dethroning him?

So, Ward did something that has almost never been done in the entire history of the sport?

As the challenger, he
- Threw less punches (over a hundred less I believe)
- LANDED less punches
- Was knocked down
- Was the one on the backfoot

and youre going to tell me that Kovalev, as the reigning champ, threw more, landed more, was the aggressor throughout the fight, scored the only knockdown, and.... lost his titles? really? I just wonder what other fight in boxing history that champion was dethroned, without corruption, while having landed more punches, throwing over a hundred more, scoring a knockdown and being the one pressing the fight the entire night. I mean, I know this was a historical fight, but didn't think it was THAT historical.

Now, I realize fights are scored round by round and not by comparing stats, I know punchstats can be deceiving, I know punchstats also aren't infallible (meaning I know they are sometimes flat out wrong) but damn... come on. It was a razor close fight by most peoples estimation, and yet Ward gets every single benefit of the doubt to give him the edge despite within the ring it was Kova that actually did the edging (if you go by the knockdown and punchstats)

I don't know, it just doesn't sit well with me. I mean, find a way to make that a draw, fine... set up the rematch, fine. But youre gonna give Kova his first loss and dethrone him like that? ehhh.... doesn't sit right with me.

By all means, maybe I change my tune when I rewatch it, but this is my initial opinion it. I know many will disagree. My only question is can you tell me any other time in history this has legitimately happened, and if not, you really think what Ward did was that historical? Anyways, the fight overall went pretty much how I thought it would (I told my friend I think Kova wins a close decision after scoring a single knockdown, but if Ward wins a controversial decision it wouldn't surprise me), and I think that Ward probably wins the rematch without controversy at all. But this fight? I just don't know.
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Pretty spot on assessment Kirk and welcome back, I had it 116-111 and Pinoy and IB had it 114-113 for Kovalev, you should check out the video Richard Dwyer did on YT about this, he thought Kovalev won by a larger margin than I did, and he used to be Ward's lawyer.

Pinoy and I are getting along pretty good now, but unfortunately lufcrazy and I are at each others throats. (Most of it is good natured)

In your absence I've (frighteningly to some people) became a new mod on this site and in the Lounge, I'm Pinoy's assistant and I've taken over doing RBR's from IB, his choice.

Hopefully you can stay around for longer and get a fresh start next year, you've missed a hell of a year, this is probably the most competitive year in the history of your league.

PinoyProdigy · Nov 25, 2016

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How about...

Jose Carlos Ramirez vs. Gabriel Bracero
Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. vs. Dominik Britsch, you added it when Zurdo was the opponent.

Hosea Burton vs. Frank Buglioni will tear the league in half, please can I add that one.

I've done threads on both of them, I'll provide the footage.

And...

Antonio Orozco vs. Fidel Maldonado Jr.
Eddie Gomez vs. Rashidi Ellis
Ronny Rios vs. Roy Tapia

Lenny Daws vs. Anthony Yigit
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You could add the orozco match

PinoyProdigy · Nov 25, 2016

50/50 fight in my opinion but gotta go with the hometown guy.

Melindo SD

lufcrazy · Nov 26, 2016

CST80 said: ↑

Pretty spot on assessment Kirk and welcome back, I had it 116-111 and Pinoy and IB had it 114-113 for Kovalev, you should check out the video Richard Dwyer did on YT about this, he thought Kovalev won by a larger margin than I did, and he used to be Ward's lawyer.

Pinoy and I are getting along pretty good now, but unfortunately lufcrazy and I are at each others throats. (Most of it is good natured)

In your absence I've (frighteningly to some people) became a new mod on this site and in the Lounge, I'm Pinoy's assistant and I've taken over doing RBR's from IB, his choice.

Hopefully you can stay around for longer and get a fresh start next year, you've missed a hell of a year, this is probably the most competitive year in the history of your league.
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I'm not at your throat.

lufcrazy · Nov 26, 2016

kirk said: ↑

Thanks Luf! Good to see you here man
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You too man. shame some of the old faces like tackle berry and big bone have left us for good.

Robney · Nov 26, 2016

Melindo UD, Jones TKO6, Davies UD, Flanagan UD, Lomachenko UD, Waseem UD.

lufcrazy · Nov 26, 2016

Change of pick

Walters UD

CST80 · Nov 26, 2016

I'm switching to Hall TKO, Davies TKO

Robney · Nov 26, 2016

CST80 said: ↑

I'm switching to Hall TKO, Davies TKO
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shallow Hall by TKO? why?

Bustajay · Nov 26, 2016

kirk said: ↑

Hey gang, hope everyone had a good thanksgiving.... had a few thoughts about the fight lol... nothing major, but just wanted to vent slightly.

I like Ward a lot, I personally think that at his minimum weight (168) he is unbeatable by anyone who is not themselves an all time great at that weight. I consider him a very rare master of the ring. I absolutely have him on par with Mayweather and Hopkins in terms of his ring IQ. I love what he does.

That being said.... (and let me say that I definitely have to rescore the fight, maybe I got caught up in the moments and so I definitely think I should rescore it) but, I do have a hard time seeing how Ward -won- that fight. If someone wants to argue for a draw, fine... I wouldn't argue too hard on it. I could compromise on that. But having Ward winning that fight? Taking Kovalevs titles and dethroning him?

So, Ward did something that has almost never been done in the entire history of the sport?

As the challenger, he
- Threw less punches (over a hundred less I believe)
- LANDED less punches
- Was knocked down
- Was the one on the backfoot

and youre going to tell me that Kovalev, as the reigning champ, threw more, landed more, was the aggressor throughout the fight, scored the only knockdown, and.... lost his titles? really? I just wonder what other fight in boxing history that champion was dethroned, without corruption, while having landed more punches, throwing over a hundred more, scoring a knockdown and being the one pressing the fight the entire night. I mean, I know this was a historical fight, but didn't think it was THAT historical.

Now, I realize fights are scored round by round and not by comparing stats, I know punchstats can be deceiving, I know punchstats also aren't infallible (meaning I know they are sometimes flat out wrong) but damn... come on. It was a razor close fight by most peoples estimation, and yet Ward gets every single benefit of the doubt to give him the edge despite within the ring it was Kova that actually did the edging (if you go by the knockdown and punchstats)

I don't know, it just doesn't sit well with me. I mean, find a way to make that a draw, fine... set up the rematch, fine. But youre gonna give Kova his first loss and dethrone him like that? ehhh.... doesn't sit right with me.

By all means, maybe I change my tune when I rewatch it, but this is my initial opinion it. I know many will disagree. My only question is can you tell me any other time in history this has legitimately happened, and if not, you really think what Ward did was that historical? Anyways, the fight overall went pretty much how I thought it would (I told my friend I think Kova wins a close decision after scoring a single knockdown, but if Ward wins a controversial decision it wouldn't surprise me), and I think that Ward probably wins the rematch without controversy at all. But this fight? I just don't know.
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Hope all is well with the family !
I had me and two others scoring that night and we decided one point for either guy or a draw is fair.
Nice yet nasty fight.

Drinquor · Nov 26, 2016

Melindo fight starting now

Bustajay · Nov 26, 2016

Lomo TKO IS MY FINAL PICK
I would not be shocked to see this go the final round and some close cards.

Drew101 · Nov 26, 2016

11/26 - Ben Hall vs. Carson Jones - 12x3 WBC International Silver Super Welterweight Title
11/26 - Andrea Scarpa vs. Ohara Davies - 12x3 WBC Silver Super Lightweight Title
11/26 - Terry Flanagan vs. Orlando Cruz - 12x3 WBO World Lightweight Title
11/26 - Vasyl Lomachenko vs. Nicholas Walters - 12x3 WBO World Super Featherweight Title

Jones KO, Davies KO, Flanagan UD, Lomachenko UD

Drinquor · Nov 26, 2016

Melindo wins by UD

117-111
115-113
115-113

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