Kirks Championships 2017

lufcrazy · Jun 19, 2017

Robney said: ↑

Hi guys.
I'm here to inform you all that I'm quitting the league and the forum from this moment on and convert to a casual.
I'm sick of the biased judging, officionating and even gloating about something that is clearly unfair. I've already said it here a couple of months ago when I got fed up by all the sh_t in boxing, and last weekend actually pushed me over the edge.
Boxing is rotten to the core, and has been for as long as I can remember. A lot of juicers out there that don't get shamed for not being VADA enrolled, as I expected when that got implemented either. Boxing is still a mess without any oversight and consistancy.Even if all the fights that ended in controversy this year got overturned for some reason, my decision stays (I would be a good boxing judge).

The Rigondeaux fight majorly pissed me off, certainly looking at the recent Dirrell fight and the obvious "I know I probably have to DQ him, but I don't want to" from Drakulich.
The first shouldn't be a DQ, and no KO either, but a clear as day NC. It has been discussed to death already, and it all comes down to the punch being part of a combo thrown before the bell, with the last one landing just after. So NC!
The second should have been a DQ, based on that it started with two deliberate fouls, putting Flores in that position and then when the referee broke them up threw an landed the next one after the bell and the break.
So Flores looking like he was pulling a Dirrell, knowing a DQ had to follow tried to play the system like many before him.
Only he wasn't the big name and got an after the bell KO loss after Vic nervously trying to prevent making the right call for the situation.

At best you can agree with a NC, which is kinda fair for Flores faking, but giving him the KO1 win on a 3 foul in a row after the bell KO, and ruling the exact opposite for a situation where the circumstances were purely unintentional and just a victim of the situation, clearly shows bias for the big name/home fighter.
And we all know that isn't the first and the last time either.

After this I already knew that we would get another controversy in the main event, either with the home judges scoring, a biased home referee, a wrong called KO or KD, or DQ... whatever. And of course we didn't get dissapointed.
Turned out the judges were quite on the level this time around, scoring it pretty much how I saw it. Only the fight being very different as I expected.
Couple of grabs and fouls that didn't get called... predictable, and not such a big deal. The usual suspects in the RbR with their completely biased scorecards, in which I saw 6 to 1 for both fighters as I recall correctly... again, no big deal. Nobody takes posters like that seriously anyway.
Up until the 8th happened, and Kovalev getting hurt when suddenly everything went trough the gutter.
NOT KOVALEV GETTING HURT! But the clusterf**k that happened right after.
1) You don't stop a fight like that unless you're British, in Britain and the British fighter is having his opponent in trouble.
2) You can't stop a fight ending on a foul! Because then, everything what happened before should get nullified. Even when you have your opponent out on his feet and falling down, or even on the floor. A foul at that point should NEVER win you the fight. I don't care if you won every single round before that, and the last shot wasn't even needed for the same effect. If your last shot is a foul, the fight should be stopped and your opponent gets 5 minutes to recover.
Kovalev looked like he was close to done. But that doesn't mean the referee should pull a British stoppage, combined with ignoring the foul completely.

The thing is, we know that these things only get handled according to the rules if it happens to the home/featured fighter. Only in a few cases the rules get applied the right way when it's in the big(ger) name's disadvantage. The RJJ disqualification comes to mind, but it hardly ever happens.
That has always rubbed me the wrong way in boxing. Like the scoring that in so many cases is merely like "close round, give it to the homie", "homie is in trouble, we'll give him this round too otherwise he might lose", "this is getting tight, let's give this one to the homie too... on ring generalship".

All in all it's about the rules. They're getting bend all over and usually in favor of the home or bigger neme fighter. Boxing too unfair, and basically it takes the fun out of it for me. Let a fighter win properly and lose properly, within the rules in a normal way, without the officionating f-ing things up! I've figured that's too much to ask.

I want to see a fight with a normal conclusion, even if that means I see a boxer I like getting knocked out of the ring in spectaculair fashion. That's why I WAS a boxfan! Not this sh_t over and over again, in which everything clearly comes to "as long as the fighter we want to win wins by any means, then it's ok".

To end this rant, I get to the worst part of being on a boxing forum as things like this happen.
You get a couple of boxfans that like me, just want it to be fair and it doesn't matter if that means a favorite of them loses, or even a fighter that they don't like wins, as long as it's fair.
But there are too many here who only care about their favorite fighters winning, by any means, and then gloating over it. Some even seem to like it being by controversial means because then they can claim "excuses" if officionating f-ed up again, so they can bully other bitter posters with it.

This ends my rant and my time here as a (very) regular poster.
All that's left is saying goodbye to you guys although I might forget a couple, so sorry in advance.

@kirk @Rumsfeld @UnleashtheFURY @CST80 @KiwiMan @IntentionalButt @McGrain @Boxed Ears @lufcrazy @drenlou @Odins beard @pincai @Sugar 88 @N17 @Drinquor @theanatolian @nellybc @pablinov @DanielDimov @PinoyProdigy @jordan1 @FIGHTER2R @David B @Oneirokritis @PaddyGarcia @Drew101 @lepinthehood and @everyone I might have forgotten.
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I am totally with you Rodney. Not for this reason of yours but for the disgraceful matchmaking I see with the big names.

I stopped being a hardcore fan ages ago now. I use this league to keep me up to date with what's going on but you'll see it's so long since I've toon part in any serious debates in the general forum.

I troll every now and again but the truth is I don't care enough about boxing anymore.

That's why I defected to UFC. Much less ducking. Much more competitive matchmaking.

CST80 · Jun 19, 2017

@Robney, you were one of the first guys on here that connected with me, so without question truly saddens me to hear this, I agree with everything you said, because at this moment, I'm feeling just as disillusioned, repulsed and depressed about this sport as you are, I'm flat out hating it at the moment, but I do wish you'd reconsider and keep hanging out here, I know this is probably a long time coming, believe me I've wanted to bail several times in the last year or two, this sport is becoming tediously predictable in how frequent sickening decisions by judges, referees and boxing commissions are being rendered. So while I know you probably won't reconsider, I truly hope you do, because you're one of the few good posters on here left and a stand up guy with integrity, which this site needs more of. This whole world is going to hell, social media has contributed greatly to its decline, because the echo chamber most people live in has expanded 1000 fold with the WWW. But the logicians of the world like you and I are needed to bring some common sense POV's to it and cut through all the BS and be the truth tellers, and while I know it gets annoying arguing with lemmings and blind zealots so often, what would this site look like without the people like you who strive to bring true balance, truth and honesty to it. You're a great forum member and I hope you stick around. I know you won't be gone for good, so I'm not going to get all sappy and bid you a fond farewell, so don't be a stranger and poke your head into the RBR's in the future, and you can always copy our picks if you want to, none of us will mind. See you around my vriend.

PinoyProdigy · Jun 19, 2017

Sad stuff @Robney. You were here when I first joined the forum and the league and I was hoping that will continue until our ends (not to sound too emotional haha). You were one of the GREATS of this league and if this is truly when you leave us, it's been great knowing you pal! But of course, I'm hoping you change your mind!

kirk · Jun 19, 2017

Damn...

Gonna shoot you a PM when I get on the computer (on my phone at the moment). But i completely understand where you're coming from, i can relate myself. And you will be sorely, sorely missed. Ill pm you soon for my parting goodbye.

kirk · Jun 19, 2017

Ramirez ud

Drew101 · Jun 19, 2017

Ramirez KO

CST80 · Jun 20, 2017

lepinthehood's pick:

eddie ramirez tko Frenois TKO

Robney · Jun 20, 2017

jordan1 said: ↑

@Robney My brother I feel your pain and it sucks big time.... Good Luck.
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lufcrazy said: ↑

I am totally with you Rodney. Not for this reason of yours but for the disgraceful matchmaking I see with the big names.

I stopped being a hardcore fan ages ago now. I use this league to keep me up to date with what's going on but you'll see it's so long since I've toon part in any serious debates in the general forum.

I troll every now and again but the truth is I don't care enough about boxing anymore.

That's why I defected to UFC. Much less ducking. Much more competitive matchmaking.
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CST80 said: ↑

@Robney, you were one of the first guys on here that connected with me, so without question truly saddens me to hear this, I agree with everything you said, because at this moment, I'm feeling just as disillusioned, repulsed and depressed about this sport as you are, I'm flat out hating it at the moment, but I do wish you'd reconsider and keep hanging out here, I know this is probably a long time coming, believe me I've wanted to bail several times in the last year or two, this sport is becoming tediously predictable in how frequent sickening decisions by judges, referees and boxing commissions are being rendered. So while I know you probably won't reconsider, I truly hope you do, because you're one of the few good posters on here left and a stand up guy with integrity, which this site needs more of. This whole world is going to hell, social media has contributed greatly to its decline, because the echo chamber most people live in has expanded 1000 fold with the WWW. But the logicians of the world like you and I are needed to bring some common sense POV's to it and cut through all the BS and be the truth tellers, and while I know it gets annoying arguing with lemmings and blind zealots so often, what would this site look like without the people like you who strive to bring true balance, truth and honesty to it. You're a great forum member and I hope you stick around. I know you won't be gone for good, so I'm not going to get all sappy and bid you a fond farewell, so don't be a stranger and poke your head into the RBR's in the future, and you can always copy our picks if you want to, none of us will mind. See you around my vriend.
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PinoyProdigy said: ↑

Sad stuff @Robney. You were here when I first joined the forum and the league and I was hoping that will continue until our ends (not to sound too emotional haha). You were one of the GREATS of this league and if this is truly when you leave us, it's been great knowing you pal! But of course, I'm hoping you change your mind!
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kirk said: ↑

Damn...

Gonna shoot you a PM when I get on the computer (on my phone at the moment). But i completely understand where you're coming from, i can relate myself. And you will be sorely, sorely missed. Ill pm you soon for my parting goodbye.
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Thanks guys.
As it stands now it's not likely for me to return any time soon. I might check in from time to time, and might watch a couple of big fights while in the RbR, but that's about it.

PinoyProdigy · Jun 20, 2017

Ramirez TKO

JordanK2406 · Jun 20, 2017

Ramirez tko

jmashyaka · Jun 20, 2017

Ramirez UD.

jmashyaka · Jun 20, 2017

**** Flores the guy is a joke for that play acting he did. Both guys threw and Rigo landed, it should be a nc but no way was that a DQ.

Bustajay · Jun 20, 2017

@Robney
Sorry to see you go buddy. You were one of the first in a handful of posters that I always respected from day one on the ESB site. Always a stand up dude with insight to offer and slow to anger.
Look forward to seeing you around on the RBR and in the General section which is off the chain with new AZE holes most of the time
Peace be with you across the pond my friend

PaddyGarcia · Jun 20, 2017

@Robney Oh man, just seen this - didn't get a notification. Well from a selfish point, thank you got including me in the post. More importantly, I totally see where you're coming from and I guess that's the ****ed up thing. To a lesser extent I've become a little bemused by boxing as of late but that's fortunately allowed me to enjoy it a little more. Anyway, I'll miss your input on the boards. You're one of the names I recognise on here and know I can read a level headed post from. That's becoming less and less common on these barren grounds but such is life. I hope the love affair with boxing returns for you, but I understand why it wouldn't. Good luck, stay evil and eat your vitamins x

Drinquor · Jun 20, 2017

Ramirez UD

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