Kirk's Championships 2024 Boxing Prediction League!

sasto · Mar 7, 2024

Vitoria Close UD Roman Close UD Flores Wide UD

Ioakeim Tzortzakis · Mar 7, 2024

Vittor UD
Roman UD
Villar UD
Lerena UD
Chamberlain UD
Ball UD
Madrimov KO
Parker UD
Joshua KO

Drinquor · Mar 7, 2024

Rolls KO, Iglesias KO, Vitor KO

MrHello · Mar 7, 2024

Rolls UD, Iglesias KO, Vitor KO, Roman UD Close, Flores KO 5, Villar UD Close, Huni UD Wide, Chamberlain KO 9, Ball UD Close, Madrimov UD Close, Zhang KO 7, Joshua KO 5.

Drinquor · Mar 7, 2024

Chuck Norris said: ↑

Rolls UD, Iglesias KO, Vitor KO.
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So lame….
When you guys change your picks…could you please make a new post
@kirk has stated many times we should not edit posts in this thread
Make a new post if you want to change

Drinquor · Mar 7, 2024

Drinquor said: ↑

REGARDING NEW RULES FOR PICK CHANGES:

From my perspective, I can't see a rule change that would make things more fair for everyone.
I liked several of the suggestions, but ultimately can see arguments against each of them.

We have a few players who like to make all the picks (or at least a majority of them) in the beginning of the month. As the fight nears, or news about one of the fighters comes out, they may rethink their original pick and want to change. They might want to change from a KO to a UD, or change a KO round in the WBK. Either way, I feel like a 10-change limit would unfairly handicap them. It would force them to change their strategy, which is something I would like to try and avoid.

Same explanation as above

We will have to agree to disagree on the "beyond apparent the difference between the two". It would be a judgement call from someone on whether to "accept" the change based on an interpretation if the pick was "competition manipulating" or not. Too me it is not a clear black and white divide.

See 1st explanation

I agree that its a pain, but other players may change their pick based on a pre fight interview, or a same day weigh-in result, or a fighter's eyes during the ring walk, etc, etc. I would like to leave that option available for us all.

I feel like this unfairly punishes the players who may legitimately change their mind (for whatever reason) on a December fight.

I kinda like this one, but it could be difficult to enforce if someone were to edit their pick. If a post is edited, and I didn't see the original post, or subsequent edits, I would have to consult with a staff member to verify number of edits and whether those edits were made in a 24 hour window. I don't want to have to do that. Another reason to request that players DO NOT edit posts, instead please submit a new post.

I like this as well, but may be interpreted as unfair to the flip-floppers. Those 50-50 fights are hard to call! Someone may legit change their mind at the last minute.

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I didn’t go through the entire 2018 thread or track suggestions throughout the year, but I tried to compile the suggestions stemming from the controversy at the end of the year. I am open to debate and since @kirk and @PinoyProdigy have not made a ruling yet, I figured I would give my opinion.

We used to have the 30-minute rule, and I believe amending the rule to “changes are allowed up until the opening bell” is an improvement. This gives us a pretty clear cut off time.

I considered offering a PM option for picks, where ideally I would have to publicly post the pick as soon as the bell rings. If I was unavailable, everyone would have to trust me that the pick was made on time. But, I strongly feel the PM option should ONLY be allowed for banned players, not pick changes. I want the picks for each player to be as transparent as possible so everyone can completely validate my calculations, and because of that I like the fact that everyone can see everyone’s picks.

I understand that seeing everyone’s picks makes it easy to copy or tactically switch to avoid losing a position, but I struggle to see a good way to fairly regulate changes in a way that improves the experience for all of us without completely overhauling the format of the league. We would have to load matches into a VBookie or Sportsbook type format, where a cut off time is established and picks are collected without publicly revealing who picked who until the event closes. The moderator of this format would not be allowed to participate in the league, and it just wouldn’t be the same experience as this league.

In closing, “Kirks Championships” is a GREAT prediction league and I am proud to be a part of it. We all need to agree to act like gentlemen, treat each other respectfully, and enjoy the ride!
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kirk said: ↑

What an absolutely awesome post, Drinquor. I am also in agreement with pretty much everything you said and how you see it. I can see the pro's and con's to each.... but no single suggestion strong enough to sway me as of yet.

two possibilities or additions for us to perhaps ponder, is...

long ago, there used to be a rule where you simply can not edit any of your posts in regards to fight picks, and if you did, unfortunately, your pick, whatever it was in that post, became invalid, regardless of what it was. If we went back to that rule, we could do the following suggestion

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There should be a rule that you can’t make a switch twice on the same fight at the same day.
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And everyone just needs to know that there will be no ifs ands or buts, if you edit a fightpick post, it becomes invalid.

Doing that may allow implementation of that rule.

Possibility number two.

We apply one of the suggestions you quoted Drinquor, but only apply it in December, and only to the top 5 or top 7 of the league (places where placing matter most near the end of the year)

That way its limited to the people it needs to be limited to, without being unfair to the rest of the league and to people who genuinely want to switch a pick for whatever reason.

Again, just some options we can consider.
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Historical context regarding my previous post

CST80 · Mar 7, 2024

Drinquor said: ↑

Historical context regarding my previous post
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While I agree in general, that that should be kept to a minimum, in Chuck and most regular posters defense, there is the Last edited: Today at 6:49 PM, edit information, denoting that it has been edited and the edit was on time. So it wasn't like he was trying to scam anyone.

But yeah, from here on out, if any of you are going to change a pick, it's preferable to just make a new post.

PinoyProdigy · Mar 7, 2024

Vitor KO8, Roman Close UD, Flores KO4, Villar Close UD, Huni Close UD, Chamberlain KO9, Ball Close UD, Madrimov Wide UD, Zhang KO10, Joshua Close UD

Fogger · Mar 7, 2024

Ljungquist-KO, Weiss-UD, Sadjo-KO, Corrales-UD, Omar-UD, Woodruff-UD

Chuck Norris · Mar 8, 2024

Drinquor said: ↑

So lame….
When you guys change your picks…could you please make a new post
@kirk has stated many times we should not edit posts in this thread
Make a new post if you want to change
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No need to get your panties in a twist, buddy. I thought it would be easier that way rather than making a new post, not making it harder for Chanox or somebody else when they do the rankings. Besides I got the pick wrong, so no need to rub salt on the wound.

Chuck Norris · Mar 8, 2024

Roman UD Close, Flores KO 5, Villar UD Wide, Huni UD Close, Chamberlain KO 9, Madrimov Ud Close, Zhang KO 7, Joshua KO 7.

BoxingABC1 · Mar 8, 2024

Roman Close UD, Villar Close UD, Huni Close UD, Chamberlain Close UD, Ball Close UD, Madrimov Close UD, Parker Close UD, Joshua TKO5, Ljungquist TKO4, Weiss Wide UD, Sadjo TKO9, Fernandez Wide UD, Hatim Wide UD, Woodruff Close UD

Furthermore...**** Steve Rolls

pincai · Mar 8, 2024

Zhang KO6

sasto · Mar 8, 2024

Villar Close UD Huni KO6 Chamberlain Wide UD Ball Close UD Madrimov Wide UD Zhang KO5 Joshua Close UD

sasto · Mar 8, 2024

sasto said: ↑

Vitoria Close UD Roman Close UD Flores Wide UD
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Not sure why autocorrect made it "Vitoria" but that was meant to be Vitor.

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