Kirk's ESB Championships 2011

lufcrazy · Sep 18, 2011

Rewatched the fight under hbo commentary and the sound sounds clearer than my primetime broadcast and i'm more convinced that ortiz was a fool.

You clearly see cortez motion them in and say let's go, the gloves touch, joe points to the time keeper and ortiz still goes for the hug like a complete tool.

I think ortiz is a muppet for losing his cool in such a big fight after the bravery he'd displayed against berto.

Of all the people to stand defenceless in front of, you don't pick the most accurate man in the sport 20 seconds after blatantly headbutting him.

What a complete idiot. So frustrating.

Tackleberry · Sep 18, 2011

BigBone said: ↑

Our H2H is like 8-1. Remember your avatars?
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Gloat all you want, you're still only number two:deal

Perhaps another big Christmas avatar bet like last year? Should be plenty of GOOD fights to pick and choose from.

Nice avy btw

BigBone · Sep 18, 2011

Something will surely come up. Like Nishioka-Marquez. :yikes

Brag not Tackie, I already picked up the Kirk Trophy, the KO Artist Medal, the Cash King Crown and the Larry Merchant Award for H2H Excellence.
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Malden · Sep 18, 2011

chatty said: ↑

Bored of talking about last nights farce now.

All I know is in 2011 the so called big fights/names:

Mosley V Pacquaio
Mayweather V Ortiz
Haye V Klitschko
Alexander V Bradley
Khan V McClosky
Klitschko V Solis

have all sucked

Thank god for:

Old man Hopkins
Old man Morales
Sturm v Macklin - not the judges
Donaire

most of which were meant to be boring or has beens
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Agree except for Sturm - Macklin. Could have went both ways I reckon.

Tackleberry · Sep 18, 2011

Malden said: ↑

Agree except for Sturm - Macklin. Could have went both ways I reckon.
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really? I thought it a pretty clear victory for Macklin. Very similar to Huck vs Lebedev

Bad Boyz · Sep 18, 2011

Kirk, you were lucky not to accept my proposal. I told ya.

J Griz 757 · Sep 18, 2011

Robney said: ↑

My idea about the Ortiz vs FMJ KO4 incident.

Seen a sh*tload of threads about it, read only one of them and read the titles of the rest. Seems like the sentiment is about 50/50 out there.
But with this being one of the few sane places left over at ESB I thought better give my opinion here.

I think Ortiz mainly has himself to blame, but both Floyd and Cortez were also clearly responsible for the bizarre ending.

Ortiz f*cked up by;
a) Headbutting Floyd when he had him on the ropes. What was the guy thinking? It's a stupid move because you lose the momentum, you can be disqualified (2 points deducting is the right call by the way) and you give your opponent a moment of rest.
b) The "protect yourself at all times" rule. How stupid are you pulling this with Floyd in the ring? Floyd is know to use/abuse any advantage he can get, fair or unfair, inside and outside of the ring. It's who he is and what he does.
c) He knew Cortez was the referee, so it is extremely stupid to do things that are illegal, and even more allowing the fight to come to a controversial point because you know you'll the one paying up whatever the situation.

Floyd f*cked up by;
Making a relatively easy fight into an controversial circus. His already bad reputation took another hit, and his obnoxious and unsportsmanlike reputation got confirmed once again.

Cortez f*cked up by;
a) Not looking at the boxers at the time of the suckerpunch KO. Ortiz was watching at him like "did you see that ref?" after the first punch (wich he obviously didn't because he wasn't watching at all) and that gave Floyd the uppertunity to land the KO punch.
Cortez just started to count when Ortiz was laying on the floor. Now it was a legal (though sucker-) punch, but he didn't even f*cking see it!
b) Blowing the call on the Intenional Butt D), wich should have been a 2 point deduction according to the rules. But that wasn't that important.
c) Confirming his reputation as an incompetent/partial referee, I'm sure he's the ref on Floyd's next bout.

All in all Ortiz was the one that screwed himself and he got the KO4 loss to prove it. If you guys don't agree, feel free to respond. :good
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Pretty much agree with everything.

Check out my thread on the subject, and vote when you get a chance homie.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=344115

BoppaZoo · Sep 18, 2011

Mundine UD
Dimitrenko TKO
Arce UD
Martinez KO
Hernandez UD
Martirosyan TKO
Alusegun TKO

FIGHTER2R · Sep 18, 2011

Mundine ud.

kirk · Sep 18, 2011

HOLLLLLLYYYYYYY CRRRRAAAAAPPPP!!!!

That fight, blew my mind! :yikes

kirk · Sep 18, 2011

Alright.... my take on what happened is fairly simple.

Ortiz was using his head a lot in the 4th round, then he straight up smashes Mayweather in the mouth with it, and then (and it seems that most people dont touch on it) he does try to hit mayweather when mayweather is looking at the ref as well.

So honestly? I really dont blame mayweather at all, and I think if a fighter wants to take it there, and make it that kind of fight, then he better nut up and be ready for what happens next.... Ortiz made it a street fight, Mayweather obliged, and one man was left standing. Thats just the way I look at it.

I was rooting for Ortiz to win this fight, bigtime, but if Im being honest thats the way I see it.

But anyways, I was thouroughly entertained.... went to hooters with about 12 buddies and watched it in a packed place with tv's aaaalllll around, and with everyone there intent on watching the fight and cheering and jeering... it was great.

When that moment happened, I was OUT OF MY MIND for about 10 seconds I kept saying 'Oh my God!' over and over atsch

Anyways, very interesting fight and finish. I will be the first to admit how wrong I was about this matchup.... I really thought Ortiz was better off just going crazy on floyd and not hanging back and trying to box him from the outside. I never would have thought that it would have been Floyd walking Ortiz down at any time during the first 4 rounds. I really thought Ortiz's strength and youth would show to bully Floyd a bit.... but Floyd was just superb to me. He is a master (no, I am not a floyd fan).

I figured he would win a UD, I really, really didnt think he would stop him, and I for sure thought that Ortiz would win the early rounds.... but Mayweather had Ortiz in check much of the time.

Entertaining fight for me, and WAR MORALES! So happy he won..... what a great warrior. I would like to see him retire, but I know he wont. Still though, its an honor watching that man fight.

kirk · Sep 18, 2011

Also, Merchant pissed me off. I know other people loved what he did, but honestly I cant stand people who have never tasted their own blood inside the ring like that, to be as brash with real fighters the way Merchant is. Thats just me. I am by no means a Mayweather fan, but I just cant stand Larry anymore.

DemolitionDan · Sep 18, 2011

kirk said: ↑

Also, Merchant pissed me off. I know other people loved what he did, but honestly I cant stand people who have never tasted their own blood inside the ring like that, to be as brash with real fighters the way Merchant is. Thats just me. I am by no means a Mayweather fan, but I just cant stand Larry anymore.
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Kirk, If I could reach through my computer screen I'd kick your ass!

Nah, man, I just wanted to say that, but being serious now, it was unprofessional of Larry to do that. I thought it was funny as hell and didn't have a problem with it, but it was unprofessional and I can definitely see how it rubbed people the wrong way.

kirk · Sep 18, 2011

Robney said: ↑

My idea about the Ortiz vs FMJ KO4 incident.

Seen a sh*tload of threads about it, read only one of them and read the titles of the rest. Seems like the sentiment is about 50/50 out there.
But with this being one of the few sane places left over at ESB I thought better give my opinion here.

I think Ortiz mainly has himself to blame, but both Floyd and Cortez were also clearly responsible for the bizarre ending.

Ortiz f*cked up by;
a) Headbutting Floyd when he had him on the ropes. What was the guy thinking? It's a stupid move because you lose the momentum, you can be disqualified (2 points deducting is the right call by the way) and you give your opponent a moment of rest.
b) The "protect yourself at all times" rule. How stupid are you pulling this with Floyd in the ring? Floyd is know to use/abuse any advantage he can get, fair or unfair, inside and outside of the ring. It's who he is and what he does.
c) He knew Cortez was the referee, so it is extremely stupid to do things that are illegal, and even more allowing the fight to come to a controversial point because you know you'll the one paying up whatever the situation.

Floyd f*cked up by;
Making a relatively easy fight into an controversial circus. His already bad reputation took another hit, and his obnoxious and unsportsmanlike reputation got confirmed once again.

Cortez f*cked up by;
a) Not looking at the boxers at the time of the suckerpunch KO. Ortiz was watching at him like "did you see that ref?" after the first punch (wich he obviously didn't because he wasn't watching at all) and that gave Floyd the uppertunity to land the KO punch.
Cortez just started to count when Ortiz was laying on the floor. Now it was a legal (though sucker-) punch, but he didn't even f*cking see it!
b) Blowing the call on the Intenional Butt D), wich should have been a 2 point deduction according to the rules. But that wasn't that important.
c) Confirming his reputation as an incompetent/partial referee, I'm sure he's the ref on Floyd's next bout.

All in all Ortiz was the one that screwed himself and he got the KO4 loss to prove it. If you guys don't agree, feel free to respond. :good
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Good post

kirk · Sep 18, 2011

DemolitionDan said: ↑

Kirk, If I could reach through my computer screen I'd kick your ass!

Nah, man, I just wanted to say that, but being serious now, it was unprofessional of Larry to do that. I thought it was funny as hell and didn't have a problem with it, but it was unprofessional and I can definitely see how it rubbed people the wrong way.
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:yep

Nah I could see how it was funny to a lot of people, but me and my friends had started arguing right after the fight They were all saying mayweathers a ***** (they all hate him and were rooting for ortiz, except 1 of them) and even though I was against Mayweather I had to defend him, and we were getting all heated Then I see that on the screen and I was already pissed so it rubbed me the wrong way even more.

Man what a crazy night though

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