**** Kirk's ESB Championships 2011 ****

I never seem to get on in time for the said tournaments..

 

What i'm saying is that if the result gets changed it's because the csac says so.

 

Changing to Mosquera. Not confident with it being in Panama.


edit: Mosquera UD

 

:shock:

I'm actually thinking this will look something like Donaire/Sidorenko. I think I might be underestimating Narvaez big time though. Still to pick him to win? That's very unlikely.:think

 

I think skillwise, donaire is in a league of his own today. Noone below lightweight is beating him.

 

No you don't. You can't.

 

10/22 - Miguel Acosta vs. Richard Abril - Acosta TKO

 

I think that's a perfect example :good

 

Just that it's in Panama? :yep Not that Zamora's long in il dente, or that Mosquera's just slicker/quicker/better?

 

Brunet Zamora MD
Scott Quigg UD
Nonito Donaire TKO

 

10/22 - Marco Huck vs. Rogelio Omar Rossi - WBO Cruiserweight title
Huck TKO/KO

10/21 - Francisco Arce vs. Hugo Ruiz
WTF? Already happened!

10/22 - Paulus Moses vs. Richard Abril - Interim WBA Lightweight title
Did this get called off? It's not even on boxrec? It says Abril against Acosta? If we can do that one, Acosta by UD.

10/22 - Alberto Mosquera vs. Brunet Zamora - Interim WBA Light Welterweight title

Mosquera SD/MD

10/22 - Jason booth vs. Scott Quigg - BBBofC Super Bantamweight title
Quigg SD/MD 10/22 - Nonito Donaire vs. Omar Andres Narvaez - WBC/WBO Bantamweight title
Donaire TKO/KO

10/24 - Akira Yaegashi vs. Pornsawan Porpramook - WBA Minimum title
PP SD/MD

10/29 - Luis Concepcion vs. Hernan Marquez II - WBA Flyweight title
Hernan Marquez TKO/KO

10/29 - Ivan Calderon vs. Raul Garcia - Interim WBO minimumweight title
Calderon UD

10/29 - Katsunari Takayama vs. Nkosinathi Joyi - IBF Minimumweight title
Joyi SD/MD

 

10/22 - Miguel Acosta vs. Richard Abril - are we doing this one, if so Acosta TKO

 

10/22 - Miguel Acosta vs. Richard Abril - Acosta UD

 

Here's a nice article on the Hopkins-Dawson fight, commissions and organizations:

http://www.fightsaga.com/news/item/1478-Hold-On-An-Explanation-of-the-WBC-s-Hopkins-vs-Dawson-Ruling

What's important to us: as IB said, quoting the article: "Declaring official fight results such as wins, losses, draws and no contests that are to be recognized internationally." - this means ultimately it's up to the CSAC to approve the WBC's ruling or decline and say the TKO was a proper call.

Regarding rules, what I said: "Creating and implementing fight rules specific to the sanctioning body. For example, some sanctioning bodies approve of standing (8) counts and the Three-Knockdown Rule while others don't (All rules must be approved by each jurisdiction's commission)" - therefore whatever rules the organization have should apply to the fight such would be the rule on an accidental or intentional incident leading to a fight ending injury, before the start of the 5th, it's a technical draw according to the WBC.

Normally it would simply mean the WBC recognizes the mistake, make a change accordingly to their rules, forward it to the local commission, and as I said, from there it should be pure technicality to become official - why would a local commission disregard such ruling if organizations bring the rules, and by rules it's a TD?

It's the bold part however where the loop-hole is: does the CSAC approve or disapprove the WBC's rule on accidental or intentional injuries? If they approve, they have to change it to TD, because it's a TD. If not and such an MMA incident is indeed a TKO win in California, nothing the WBC can do about it, it will remain a TKO. Like I said, such things can happen if local commissions have own specific rules contradicting with organizations who make sport specific rules and bring them for a reason: to have a clear outcome when such an incidents happen.

Disregard WBC vs. CSAC for a moment: should this fight ending in such an incident be a TKO without any decisive BOXING action in the ring, or be a draw because such non-boxing incident should not result in a boxing outcome, especially with literally no decisive action pre-injury? IMO it should clearly change to a TD, and if it doesn't, California rules are garbage. There was no legitimate boxing outcome in this fight, period.

 

Did'nt see it on the list, but just in case acosta tko.