Kliltschko vs. Jack Johnson

You cannot compare Tyson's and Holmes accomplishments with Klitschko's. It's as simple as that. If Klitschko continues to beat the drones he has been beating lately and makes it into the top 20 ATG HW, that would be more a knock on the comparatively limited skill and talent found in that division historically -as far I'm concerned.

I'm rooting for him. I like Klitschko -I think he is a man of honor and a man of character and a great role model. He looks like a Greek god and it would be fanatastic if he had the opportunity to defeat monsters worthy of his size and physical powers.

 

I respectfully disagree. I don't think that serious analysts care about whether or not they can pronounce the name correctly.

Bowe is forgotten by most. He was in the Petronelli's gym over the summer, sparred a little, got handled, and didn't come back. He was there to see if he could look good for Goody but was grateful if anyone came and talked to him.

Styles make fights. Holmes stye was similar to Ali's and it was known by insiders that if you could time and counter Larry's jab, you could neutralize it. Norton had a similar strategy to cope with another famous jab that we all know of. Norton fought like it was do or die. He was dangerous that night.

Hindsight is 20/20. Spinks had never been floored or stopped in his total professional career before Tyson. Tyson was Tyson, Klitschko is Klitschko and you don't get any more polarized in terms of style than those two, so I cannot see how you could make that kind of if/then statement. Even so, Spinks may have been physically overwhelmed by Klitschko over time, but Holmes getting starched by Klitschko like he did against Tyson in 4? No way. Suzy Q will renounce America and join the Taliban before that happens.

 

Ha ha ha ha ha

Klitschko would be classy as ever.

Johnson would also be classy but with an ulterior motive of intimidating Klitschko by the back door.

I am certain that they would hit it off and end up friends after the fight. We could well be looking at the two most inteligent champs of all time here.

Johnson was kind to people who treated him respectfully and vindictive towards people who treated him discourteously.

 

Tunney said a solid boxer could beat up a full grown gorilla, and Lewis, while fairly smart is made to look smarter because his accent and he plays chess.

 

I will stand by my statment.

Klitschko has a Phd, is fluent in five languages, is a chess master, member of the magic circle. He would have been great whatever he had done.

Johnson was the same kind of person in an era where a black man was expected to be content handling a shovel. He loved literature, played several musical instruments, and conducted his defence in court a couple of times with considerable sucess. While in prison he invented the first auto wrench and steering lock and was granted patents for both.

They would have clicked but I fear Johnson might have been a bad influence on Klitschko.

 

In a spin-off to the intelligence banter, the social aspect always played a huge role in gaining the interest of the public and history.

Jack Johnson is an interesting study not so much because of the racial benchmark, but because of how he lived.

As contradictive as the following statement is to Johnson's effect on the establishment he was far more personable and socially magnetic than Tunney, who many viewed as stuck-up.

Johnson loved to play up to his position of superiority, but the guy was a joker, a gambler, a party animal and did not have too much to hide. Fans sensed this and it split the crowd into the die-hards and the haters just as Chris Eubank later did.

So, in many ways, despite Johnson's position he did fully understand the importance and rewards of social connections. Guys who spent a day with Johnson or shared the ring for a minute with him came away feeling they really had an experience to savour. On even terms, Johnson knew how to rub people the right way.

Racially charged undertones on why he won were met with a great respect and admiration for his charisma and mastery over the English language.

Tunney was a particularly conserved individual and must have felt the cold chill of the publics reception as he became the now 'unwanted champion'. He wanted security and safety, but he did not attain the respect he garnered as he weaved his way to the championship. He most certainly would of liked to have won over the crowd.

Lewis falls into the same bowl as Gene for similar and different reasons, and you could taste the disgust in his mouth as he battled it out with HBO commentator, Larry Merchant after he 'sort of' beat Vitali. It’s as if he was running through his head “All these wins and you still don’t rate me!”.

 

Probably best he wasn't there when Tyson wanted to fight a silverback that day in the zoo, then. The last thing he needed was encouragement.

 

And spoke decent French and Spanish.early in his career he never used a short word when he could fit a long one in ,similar to Don King ,but after he had been Champ some tiome he was a well travelled individual would could discourse on a variety of subjects.I imagine his conversation would be more erudite than Norton's ,Frazier's or Holme's.

 

Does anyone really think Klitschko could be competitive beyond the early rounds?

 

Well, I don´t think today´s division is worse than the 80s. It lacks a Holmes and a Tyson but that´s it. On average it´s as good.

 

Well, that would still be far more intelligent than you.

 

Not really, Johnson would be counted out by then, and tell his manager "put me back in with those middleweights please".

 

I don't think Johnson would be alive beyond the early rounds.