Kliltschko vs. Jack Johnson

So Klitschko's chances are entirely dependant on a KO against on of boxing's most famous defensive boxers?

 

Chris Byrd was a better defensive heavyweight. And he had a stronger chin too.

 

What makes you say that?

 

a small, relatively weak boxer with a defense that is properly analogous to a 1912 Abbott-Detroit.

 

Hater!

 

Johnson on 6 6 1/4 Willard "If these cowboy white hopes get any bigger I'll have to start wearing stilts!".What would he have said about Wlad?

 

Relativley weak????????????////

Johnsons party trick was to tie a horse to each bicep and reign them back with his arms.

He was one of the strongest of all heavyweight champs.

 

No way could Klitschko stand up beyond the hour mark. He has dodgy stamina over just 12 rounds. As has been proven in Wlad's career, even someone like Ross Purritty can beat a tired boxer; I liked Ross the Boss, but I think we can all agree that Johnson was the better man. Furthermore, how many fights did Wlad have in the open air on a hot sunny day?

It's easy to see Jack Johnson just looking to survive for the first 19 rounds or so and then putting the pressure on a tired Klitschko to score the win. I also don't think Wlad could adapt to the equipment and dirtiness of the Giant's game. One also has to wonder whether Wlad's hands would hold up given his primitive technique.

Admittedly, it's a bit harsh on boxers of Wlad's era to expect them to be competitive in what amounts to a different sport.

 

Chris Byrd was dependant on the large gloves of the modern era. With his amateurish glove-blocking and footwork, I think someone like Johnson would KO him within the first 30 rounds.

 

"relatively" means "relative to WK", and in this regard he is/was weaker of the two. do you really want to question this fact. i've heard reports of both Vk and Wk's workouts on the weights. they are both astoundingly strong.

 

I dont think you can assume anything in the matter.

Evander Holyfield was around the same weight as Johnson at heavyweight but he was able to handel the big guys in the clinches.

At 208 lbs it cannot be asumed that Johnson could not do the same.

 

Ah, i thought we were discussing a 12 or 15 round fight. In that case Johnson should be favored should it go past 12, which i don't expect to happen.

On a sidenote, as you say it's as good as a different sport. Also the pace at which they fought: their punch output was much lower and wrestling was a big part of the rounds. It's not like they fought 30 of the rounds that Wlad fought with Brewster. And given by how well Wlad uses his size, leans on his opponents and Johnson usually had smaller men in front of him, it is not out of the question that Klitschko has some success there. But yeah, he's inexperienced in those fights.



By the way, Ross the Boss certainly has durability over Johnson, which he'd need pretty bad to make it past the 12th.

 

I think that Johnson would probably have a big advantage in strength in the clinches. People forget the way Johnson manhandled Jeffries in the clinches, which surprised jeffries, even though prime Jeffries may have fared better, there was still plenty of power their. Plus, when Vlad tries to clinch, Johnson will have him off balance and will land the uppercut at will, which could spell trouble. Vlad's best chance as others have said would be to start swinging and his long range jab-hook combination may be the key, as you would expect the lanky sized Klitchsko would have a good chance to land it, if he were to open up and he may catches Johnson clean. Still, i think that Johnson's chin is far better than he is given credit for and i dont think Vlad will land cleanly enough or often enough. I think that Johnson cruises to a decision which Vlad holding for dear life towards the end of the fight.

 

I really doubt Wlad is stronger than Johnson and even if he would still do worse than Johnson. JJ was far more experienced in the clinches. Wlad hugs in the clinches, Johnson works and punches in the clinches. Huge difference.

 

I don't see it. Holmes and Tyson are not all you had in the 80s. Holyfield & Foreman (from 88 & 87 on respectively), Gerry Coetzee, Cooney, Tate, Dokes, Pinklon Thomas, Tubbs, even Tex Cobb was pretty solid. I am not sure that the 00s guys would handle Tony Tucker or Tim Witherspoon. I'd call the 80s a fair era. The current era? Arguably not quite.