Kliltschko vs. Jack Johnson

How many of Johnson's top opponent actually were over , say, 6 foot 1 and 210lbs? And i'm not talking about teenagers with 15 fights who would go on to become top fighters.

 

I said top opponents.

Maybe, maybe not. But when can only go with what we know, and that is that Johnson only beat Mcvey/Jeannette/Langford when they were young, green and a middleweight respectively, and avoided them like the plague when they entered their primes.

 

Technique. My father only uses his strength everytime while I shorten my level and lenghten his by pulling his arm not only down but also towards myself. He needs more and more strength while I need less and less and finally I succeed

Brain over muscles, that´s going on.

Can´t argue that one.

Nope. Wlad is very strong at hugging and leaning on shorter foes. He does not clinch in the way Johnson or Willard clinched. He does no work in there and isn´t used to it. That´s why those guys are imo superior to him in that one.

Nope. We don´t know anything about Klitschko for sure because he never proved he is as good in the clinches as Johnson or Willard. Wlad isn´t even tieing up his opponents most of the time, he just hugs them that doesn´t need anywhere as much strength as the clinching done by Johnson and Willard.

Well, I disagree that Ali bossed Foreman, Liston and Norton in the cclinches. Ali was good there but he worked in there, he punched, he tied his opponents up ... Klitschko does nothing of that. Instead he hugs and leans, effective against today´s fighters who don´t know how to behave there but that would work against him against experienced and proven clinchers.

 

That is the point that I am trying to make though.

A powerlifter can be very strong at one type of exercise, but still fail at another.

A manual labourer while being weaker than the powerlifter in most exercises would be prety consistent across them all.

 

Anyone here ever heard the expression "agree to disagree?" No wonder there are so many guys with 10,000 plus posts here ... :nut

 

It's part of the charm of the place...

 

We are old-timers here, we go on until one isn´t able to continue

 

It is kind of cool ... strong personalities with tremendous stamina and a lot of time ...

 

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On this issue of clinching, it is, of course, entirely dependent on the ruleset; modern day boxing wherein the clinch is a tactical stall, Johnson would be easier to combat, but if actual fighting in the clinch was allowed, he'd be able to wear down and stop modern fighters, including the greats, probably quite easily.

The thing is, its much easier to initiate a clichfest than it is to avoid one; imagine a modern day fight without the referee breaking fighters up, the entire dynamic of the fight is changed.

One more point, modern boxing favors tall guys like Lewis and Klitschko who can just lean on their oppoenents- this doesnt work very well when fighting is allowed. Lennox would struggle badly against skilled in clinch fighters; center of gravity is too high, wrong sort of strength and physique, completely differnt type of fitness/stamina is required etc. Watch Randy Couture destroy Gabe Gonzaga ( a stronger man than Lewis or Klitschko) inthe clinch at 43 yrs of age, 6' tall and 200lbs. I think Johnson would beat modern fighters in similar fashion under his rules.

However, transport J Johsnon into the later 20th century and its a differnt stroy,

 

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