Kliltschko vs. Jack Johnson

To interject on page 18, Another good question would be what would Wlad Klitchko be like it:

1. He lived in a deprived era, where regular meals werent easy to come, fighters were literally hungry, meaning growing to your full height and muscular potential was often very rare
2. Made to fight blindfolded in his early career
3. Fighting as a semi-pro in early years meaning he wouldnt be able to train as often
4. No nutritionists to help add muscle mass
5. No sports specific trainers to help him
6. No supplements/steroids to add muscle mass
7. No handfed easy opponents in his early career

 

Here you might have me in a spot of bother.

The Sanfrancisco enquirer states that Martin outweighed Johnson by 20 lbs but dosnt give weights.

The lowest I have ever seen McVea cited at is 208 lbs and by his peak he was regularly coming in at 217lbs.

Here is a playing card showing Johnson and McVea squaring off.

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it is pure speculation and/or fantasy that the privations of another era created better or tougher fighters. sugar ray leonard was one tough s.o.b. and he had a pretty soft upbringing.

by the by, i do believe the klitchko's grew up on the wrong side of the iron curtain. though i am not sure how long they lived there, they were born in kazakstan, which is a notoriously tough, frontier land where many ethnic russians and ukrainians emigrated for work. i doubt it was a pampered existence.

 

Thank You,

I find it quite annoying the way fans of modern superheavyweights believe that these guys would look the same without modernity. Neither man would have had the exact same body had they been born in different centuries.

 

Sorry but if you can´t see that than you are either blind or very biased. I think it´s the latter. It´s common sense.

The Klitschko´s grew up as middle class people in a military base. They had a good live compared to most Eastern Europeans which is comparable to the lower middle class in Western Europe. Stop making things up.

 

a) perhaps it is common sense, in that such sense appeals to commoners. it is pure speculation that the type of privation endured 100 years ago added anything at all to the fighting abilities. This can not be proven at all.

b) i have not read a bio of the Klitschko's so I do not know their exact circumstances. I am questioning yet another assumption in this thread that they had some sort of pampered upbringing. I was supposed to travel to Kazahkstan for work at one point and did a bit of research. Not a place I would want to grow up. It has especially turned nasty with the disintegration of the Soviet state. Tje great deal of the ethnic Russians/Ukraines fled. I assume that is probably when the Klitschko falily also left. 1880 Texas it is not. But quite a bit rougher than middle class Europe, I think. I certainly know that Jirov had it rough there. Again, I am questioning. I have not brought myself to read some tripe piece on their childhooh.

 

If the Klitschko´s would have lived like the normal people of Kazakhstan you would be right but they lived in a military camp due to the job of their father. And they later went back to the Ukraine, where they went to school and university. Hardly possible for guys who lead a tough life.

 

Military life can be pretty brutal, even in the US, moving around, being very poor, constant fights and tensions wherever you are stationed. That was my experience, at least. In the disintigrating USSR, I think it can be quite a bit worse. Again, I don't know the specifics of their upbringing, maybe his folks were officers. I know Jirov was raised in there and his upbringing was particularly brutal.

I hope it goes without saying I am not even speculating either Wlad or Vit's life matched that of a black man in texas at the turn of the century.

 

His Dad was a Colonel in the Russian air force.