Kliltschko vs. Jack Johnson

Johnson- with the style he presented in 1910- would not last two rounds in most modern gyms.

 

Do you honestly beieve that?

There were people in his time who said he wouldnt last two rounds against guys of the bare knuckle era who used the bare knuckle stance.

Every era has its own orthodoxy and I might just use you as a guinea pig to try out some older styles.

 

Just watching some Jack Johnson footage this morning. Wow. He had awful balance and such poor footwork. Add to that his low hands and absolute reliance on reflex and counter. This style- along with his many inadequacies- means he is fodder for a taller, stronger jab-oriented powerpuncher.

Kind of like Jess Willard.

 

Klitschko by KO/TKO in first 4 rounds.

 

You are underestimating today's fighters.

 

Really poor example. Willard was utter **** and won because his fight against Johnson was fixed.


Wlad is million times better than Willard.

 

If you believe this, you really no nothing about the sport of boxing.

If Johnson were to throw a fight, why would he throw everything but the kitchen sink at Willard for 15 rounds before slowing down? Why would the fight be thrown in the 26th? Have you ever seen rounds 22 to 26, the punishment Johnson absorbed before succumbing? The final sequence of blows? It is absolutely inscrutable that anyone could buy the aged, broke Johnson's claim that this fight was thrown (a claim for which he was paid).

And just to set the record straight, I love me some Jack Johnson. He was a hero, a man with bigger balls than any fighter or athlete I can think of, even than the great Jackie Robinson seeing that he broke his barrier in 4 decades previous. I just think he is quite over-rated for his actual abilities as a pugilist. A great- no doubt- but very beatable and a very tarnished record that seems to require constant apologies from his supporters.

 

if you belive that you need to head to boxing 101 why would a man with as big an ego as johnson throw his title away to a WHITE figther in willard

have you ever seen the fight or read about it extensivly? Willards plan was to take johnsons best early on and then go after him once he tired out

willard IMO was better than many give him credit for basicly most have only seen the Dempsey fight and thats what leads to there low opinuion on him but if you watch the Johnson fight you can see he is alot better than what most thank of him

 

Perfect example except we are not talking about machines but human beings ... taoday's cars are faster and better performing than five, ten , twenty and thirty years ago so you musy be saying that Wlad is better than Holyfield, Tyson , Lewis, Holmes , Ali, Frazier or Liston ever were ... or is that just some cars and not others .. ?

 

My friend there is a huge difference between the always improving engineering and boxing. The human body is only able to do a very limited amounts of movements.

Also, I wanted to add that Johnson isn´t a barenuckle boxer but did both. He could throw combinations - watch the Willard fight for example - block with his glove - he is famous for that! - and clinch.
Also you should accknowledge that clinching is part of Wlad´s game and while he is bigger, he is also a lot worse in it than Johnson. Wlad does not tie you up, he just hugs and leans on you, that won´t work with Johnson.

 

While I agree with everything you said this is just :yikes . What did Toney at hw? He beat and old, far far past his prime Holyfield, cheated against Ruiz, beat narrowly and got a boxing lesson from the very crude slugger Peter. That´s not nearly taking apart the hw scene. :deal

 

Toney got a boxing lesson from Peter ? Your joking right ? At close to forty and grossly fat Toney basically got robbed in their first fight, taking Sam's best shots and making him look highly inexperienced ... in the second he lost a close decision ... if anything James Toney proved that the era of the superheavyweight, started with Bowe/Lewis and extended through the Klit Brothers is highly over rated ... a Joe Louis or a Jack Johnson would have destroyed these guys ....

 

Right, Toney won the first fight but he was dominated in the second.

How did Toney prove that? What did he do at hw that is so exceptional? He did next to nothing there. And how did he prove the shws are overrated? He didn´t even fight one? Where´s your logic?

I´m a big fan of Johnson and I think he would at least pose all kind of problems for Klitschko - I don´t know who would win but if I had to my money would be on Johnson. So, I´m surely not talking in favour of the shws but you should be a lot more objective than you are.