Kliltschko vs. Jack Johnson

Ketchel could plausibly have inflicted a flash knockdown on virtualy any heavyweight if he caught them with a swing they didnt see coming.

Lets face it everybody has got dumped on their but by sombody they shouldnt have.

 

Ketchel could plausibly have inflicted a flash knockdown on virtualy any heavyweight if he caught them with a swing they didnt see coming.

Lets face it everybody has got dumped on their but by sombody they shouldnt have.

 

Which would make it all the more humiliating when Wlad starches him.

 

We have had that argument before about Klitschko and we remain, as they say, in opposite corners. I think I may be giving him too much by crediting him with even basic skills. The comparison with Joe Louis fails completely and I don't see the point of it at all. Joe Louis had a wide array of skills and a great command of the fundamentals. Klitschko does not. He fights like Frankenstein.

Johnson had faults -primarily his stance and guard, but again, those fights you are seeing are likely ones that are scheduled for 45 rounds. Watch the Burns fight -scheduled for 14 rounds. Jackson throws combinations effortlessly -particularly a right uppercut followed by a left hook, he spins off his man, and there is a strong jab, although it comes from the hip. I see skill that exceeds Klitschko's.

 

???, If you are trying to say Ketchel was bigger than Fitz, you're wrong.

If you trying to say Fitz got a title shot becuase he was white, you are wrong again.

Bottom line is Ketchel is perhaps the curdest fighters with a big reputation I have ever seen on flim. The fact that he floored and hurt Johnson with the one of the few punches he landed does not bode well for Johnson vs Any power hitter.

 

As skilled and talented as Wlad is (and he is very skilled according to every trainer I have talked to or have read quoted) he is above all EFFECTIVE. EFFECTIVE wins fights. And moreso, he is effective against average hitting, smaller heavyweights who try to be defensive. The larger lugs that Johnson did fight are nothing like a prime Wlad, not Denver Ed Martin nor the best of them, a depleted Jim Jeffries. So, no, there is no precedent.

Now, were Wlad born in 1878, and brought up in the wild west atmosphere of that era, he would be similarly limited by the time. Upon that perhaps we can agree.

 

okay, let me just make this clear to all u J.J. fans.

This guy was one of the most overrated boxers of all time. He would get killed in the ring by Kliltschko. 5 round tops before Kliltschko knocks him out

 

Very good post. But I think you sell Wlad a bit short, he is very limited but he is also very good in what he does. And that may be enough even against some atgs - I´m still undecided here since there´s such a huge gap in time and ruleset between them but I lean slightly toward Johnson.

 

Ketchel is one of the hardest hitters p4p in the history of the sport getting knocked down from one of his punches while not expecting anything like that because the fight was fixed is hardly a shame. Klitschko got TKOed by Brewster and Purrity and I don´t think one of them punches much harder than Ketchel.

 

somehow that´s funny. Someone defending Klitschko talking about his opponent beeing overrated. Get yourself educated man.

I often defended Klitschko but in this thread I can see why people are hating him.

 

Johnson was hurt. He rolled over, and had to brace himself to get up. All this from one punch from a middle weight?

I do not think the fight was fixed, but I do agree than Johnson, carried Ketchel a bit. Then again, Johnson style was to carry just about everyone, and not risk many even exchanges. I do think than Once Ketchel hurt Johnson, Johnson fought back hard. As it was he scored a knockout, but fell down himself during the process ( Lack of balance )

 

It's hard to confirm by the movies as the actual punch is at a bad angle and the flim seems to miss a few frames but the knockdown to me looks like Johnson was half off balance and his legs slipped out from under him as well .. either way he was so badly hurt that seconds later Ketchel was knocked cold for over five minutes ...

 

Johnson wins by TKO in the 45th round when Vlad signals he can no longer continue, after breaking his hands earlier in the fight and gassing after just the 30th round.

You can't take a modern fighter and expect them to be competitive in what was an utterly different sport. It's an unfair expectation on Vladimir.