Klit vs Klit vs legacy damage.......

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  1. JohnThomas1

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    The Klit's have been the obvious two top heavies for ages. They have encompassed an entire era and not fought each other, obviously.

    So we have the two best of the era never having really attained undisputed dominance.

    How much does all this affect their legacy???????
     
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  2. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I disagree. Wlad was dominant as long as his brother was not around and now his legacy is so much superior to his brother that you can argue he is undisputed.

    And no I don't hold it against them that they did not fight. They are brothers ffs.
     
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  3. McGrain

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    I agree that it affects them John.

    Every era will have a top 1 and 2 at HW, obviously. We can't expect these two to fight each other, but the fact is, neither has been tested at the very highest level. Neither has fought the best of their era. You can't hold it against them personally, I don't expect them to fight, but the fact that the #1 doesn't match the #2 will always hurt them regardless of the circumstances. More so in a weak era.
     
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  4. JohnThomas1

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    You miss the entire point ffs. Brothers or not, number 1 has not met number 2. Obviously nobody expects brothers to fight, but you don't have to be genius to realise 1 and 2 have not fought. They've been the top 2 over a very large amount of years now.

    Wlad's legacy may be much superior, but the fact is Vitali would have been his most dangerous opponent and vice versa.
     
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  5. onourway

    onourway Haye KTFO1 Wlad Full Member

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    Best thing that could happen to the brothers is if Haye beats one of them.

    That would be terrible for one, but the best thing that could happen to the other.
     
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  6. JohnThomas1

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    Ahhhhh i knew it wasn't that hard to digest. Your post sums things up perfectly, and puts it better than i did.

    I totally agree with you.
     
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  7. Mendoza

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    Oh they fought plenty of times in the gym. The public never saw them go at each other.

    Boxing has had plenty of good champions with different versions of a world title belts that never meet in the ring. Politics sometimes prevents the best matches form being made. In this case it is family. No one penalized the Baer or Spinks brothers for not meeting each other in the ring. Should brothers fight? And would the fight be honest if they meet?

    The way it has worked out is Wlad avenged Vitlai's loss to Byrd, and Vitali
    avenged Wlad's loss to Sanders and Purrity.

    In modern times the highest honor is a consensus #1 ranking by independent sources such as Ring Magazine, Fight News, a Box Rec.
    Both Vitali and Wlad had that at one point #1 across the board, and both were Ring Magazine champions.

    So to answer your question if they were not brothers there would be a huge hole in their resumes. Since they are brothers, its not that big of a deal. Only minor damage in my book.
     
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  8. JohnThomas1

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    It's probably too late tho, Vitali's best is surely behind him. Well, Haye beating Wlad might be good for Vit now you mention it.
     
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  9. Mendoza

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    The Brits might be the last one to see it, but Haye doesn't want to fight either Klitschko, and backed out of fights vs. both of them. Haye will prove to be what we thought he was as soon as he fights a guy who can actually land a solid punch on him.
     
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  10. JohnThomas1

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    Oh come on, the two Spinks brothers (nor the Baer) not meeting is not even in the same stratosphere. It falls down dramatically on levels that don't even need be highlighted.
     
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  11. McGrain

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    Both are top 30 HW's now. Imagine what a win over a fighter like Bowe or Johannson would do for either one of them. If Vitali beat Wlad he would be beating a fighter sneaking into my top 20 currently. That's the best win he'd have on his ledger to the power of 10.
     
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  12. JohnThomas1

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    Agreed on Haye not being such a great opponent, tho he could change that yet however doubtful.
     
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  13. Mendoza

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    Has there ever been a brothers fight in boxing when both were contenders? If Wlad and Vitali fought the fight would have some privately pre-arranged understandings between the two.

    I have seen the Williams sisters play each other in Tennis finals, and the match is always a dull one. If the fight is not on the level, the result would be greatly diminished.

    One day we might see the two box each other for charity.
     
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  14. McGrain

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    Nobody actually expects them to fight. That's not the point. The point is how the fact that they won't fight affects their all time standing. You can't match the best, for whatever reason, it hurts your standing.
     
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  15. JohnThomas1

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    Here it is again, on a platter.
     
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