Klitschko Brothers and ATG's.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by wlad1111, Oct 26, 2010.


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  1. wlad1111

    wlad1111 Active Member Full Member

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    Yes I am a Klitschko Brothers fan and I have heard a lot of criticism against these boxers, some of it was valid but the rest is complete bull.
    1. Lets talk about Lewis fight. I don't know what really happened. Lets just assume that it was not an inside of the glove cut but a legit one from powerful punches that Lewis landed. Some of people here just say win is a win and Lewis it better fighter because he got the win. I might be oversimplifying this but that is as far as their argument goes. Using the exact same logic I can as easily say that Rahman after beating Lewis should of forgot about the contract retired and that would of been a proof that he is a better fighter. I believe that Lewis did not give Vitali a rematch for a reason. Another things people mention is that Lewis was out of shape and not motivated but at the same time ignore the fact that Vitali took a fight on two weeks notice.
    2.I am not going to say here that Klitschko Brothers would beat any ATG because there is no way to find out. I believe that styles make fights and who knows what would really happen. Sure Vitali might look weird and robotic but there were many fighters that looked twice as good and got knocked out by him.
    3. Yes Wlad got beat by Sanders earlier in his career but don't compare that version of him and say things like " He is nowhere near ATG he got beat by golfer". How many years ago was that, Wlad is much better now so don't compare that version of him vs ATG's. And how does playing golf make you any less of the fighter. As long you train for fights that does not make any difference.
    4. I think that making predictions on fights that will never happen is just silly. You can get as logical as you can but as i said before its all just a speculation. So lets start making predictions on possible matches and forget about the past. There are no objective facts to prove that Wlad Klitchko is any less of fighter than ATG's were. He did not have good competition but that only makes competition look worse. He dominated everyone that has been put in front of him for about 6 years now. That is objective fact not some pie in the sky. So without using any would of ,should of. could of can anyone really explain how is Wlad not an ATG?
     
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  2. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    I'll be honest. I used to not like dill anywhere that wasn't in dill pickles. But I grew up, my taste buds matured. I can completely appreciate it used in other foods now. Oh, you can overdillify, Jack. Don't get me wrong. But you can also just, you know, get it just right in non-pickle foods. It's okay. I am down. I am down with the dill. Somebody say "What's the dilly?" and my ears perk up and my mouth starts watering now, I'll tell you what.
     
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  3. herbzg

    herbzg Euro-Level Athlete Full Member

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    Vitali Klitschko does not deserve ATG consideration until he faces at least 5 of the following Euro-level athletes:

    Andrzej Wawrzyk 20-0
    Mariusz Wach 22-0
    Andriy Rudenko 19-0
    Yakup Saglam 26-0
    Lucian Bot 14-0
    Vladimir Tereshkin 13-0
    Murad Khalidov 9-0
    Vyacheslav Glazkov 7-0
    Magomed Abdusalamov 8-0
    Andreas Gustafsson 6-0
    Nikolay Israelyan 6-0
    Krzysztof Zimnoch 5-0
     
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  4. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    :deal

    Biggest "/end thread" in history.
     
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  5. naldo marshal

    naldo marshal heavyweight champ Full Member

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    Are you the ATG Owner or ATG manger???? :fire:twisted::smoke:rasta:hi:
     
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  6. naldo marshal

    naldo marshal heavyweight champ Full Member

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    Vitali Klitschko does not deserve ATG consideration until he faces at least 5 of the following Euro-level athletes:

    Andrzej Wawrzyk 20-0
    Mariusz Wach 22-0
    Andriy Rudenko 19-0
    Yakup Saglam 26-0
    Lucian Bot 14-0
    Vladimir Tereshkin 13-0
    Murad Khalidov 9-0
    Vyacheslav Glazkov 7-0
    Magomed Abdusalamov 8-0
    Andreas Gustafsson 6-0
    Nikolay Israelyan 6-0
    Krzysztof Zimnoch 5-0 K2 are World Class Boxers, the men u mentioned are Local Class. So, how can u compare them like that and legalize ur self as if u were the master of ATG????
    It needs long process, boy!!! as the first step, just tell them to fight boxers under the K2 level at first, boy!!!!
     
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  7. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    Learn your ****ing place dude.... do not start questioning herbz or you will cease to exist on this forum.
     
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  8. H .

    H . Boxing Junkie banned

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    well ****, if Dan Rafael is voting for Prince Hamed to get in the hall of fame, may as well make arguements for the Klitschkos too
     
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  9. PATSYS

    PATSYS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    HOF is not the sme as ATG.:deal
     
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  10. exumspate

    exumspate Well-Known Member Full Member

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    1. & 2. I was at the Lewis Vitali fight and they were teeing off on eachother...The cuts looked to be caused from punches...Lewis was in shape but Vitali's power had him stepping in post holes most of the fight...The momentum definately looked to be in Lewis' favor at the time of the stoppage but, this one was going back and forth until then...The stoppage was correct, as pissed as I was at the time...

    3. & 4. I am of the opinion Lewis retired rather than face a rematch with Vitali but, Lewis was 38...It's also difficult to criticise Lewis without criticising Wlad for not rematching Sanders and not rematching Peter until big bro dismantled him...And Wlad was prime...

    As far as ATG status, that will be determined when their careers are over...That's when 'don't know what you got til it's gone' kicks in for even some of the harshest critics, myself included...

    Wlad has an uphill battle though because Vitali avenged his most significant ko loss in Sanders, and dismantled an opponent that gave Wlad fits, in Peter...

    Both are giant athletic guys that are decent boxers in an era with no complete boxers...And yet Wlad still needed help from oft injured but tough as nails Vitali...

    I think Vitali will be considered an ATG when all is said and done and Wlad will ride his coat-tails somewhat...I've never seen an ATG that handles pressure as poorly as Wlad...And his ko losses have looked to be more a matter of heart than chin, not a common issue for any ATG I can think of...But, he has shown alot of heart coming back from those losses, even if Vitali had to lend some of his...
     
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  11. H .

    H . Boxing Junkie banned

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    you are correct :good

    :lol:
     
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  12. exumspate

    exumspate Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Threatening other posters is apparently tolerated though...
     
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  13. bremen

    bremen Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yep, blindfolded on the same night with them attacking him simultaneously from all directions.
     
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  14. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That list is utter horse****.....:dead:admin:shock::roll:

    MR.BILL:hat
     
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  15. bremen

    bremen Boxing Addict Full Member

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