Klitschko fan, quote of the week!!

so you dont think Either brother is an ATG?.. not even on the list?... just asking buddy

 

well in terms of resume i say top 30, in terms of h2h, couple a notches above top 20. the klitschkos are without question elite heavyweights by today standards, and they could give anyone in any era a good fight. i just see their skills as somewhat limited when i compare them to the ATG's of the past. the klitschkos are great fighters, vitali is too old and isn't gonna be around long enough to find a good rival that can put up a fight. but his brother wlad has a couple of years on him. who knows, maybe he'll be around long enough for deyonte wilder to get in the picture.

 

I'm with Lefthook89 in that IMO we dont know how good the brothers really are because they haven't got rivals against which they can show us. Except each other of course and their legacies will be hurt because of their refusal to fight each other.

Are they good? Yep, best around right now for sure.
Are they great? Maybe, but on what basis? Their opposition? Skills (real or percieved)? their conduct outside the ring? Heart and hunger? How they might match up against other ATG's?
Are they ATG? Who can say without proof which isn't available and maybe never will be?

Guess what I'm trying to say is that the very term "ATG" is so subjective in it's nature that there will always be variance of opinion, and of course the arguements that come with it.
For mine, I'll have to say no to ATG. In my book they haven't show the desire, heart, or been engaged in the necessary fights to justify it and it's sad that they probably never will.

 

KlitschkoooooooooooooooOOOooOOOooOOooOoooOoooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

 

Stoic said that & I think he means head to head not based on legacy.

 

ban this disrespectful low life, klitschko himself would kick your ass if he saw this comment.

 

he did fail an American army intelligence test. he must have been a fairly thick man

 

I know size is not the end all be all, and that a size advantage does not necessarily mean that you will win. But it cannot be and should not be ignored that Joe Frazier fought in an era where 90% of the opponents he fought were under 210lbs and would be cruiserweights today. Were they more skilled then the heavyweights today, probably. Were they more skilled then Wlad and Vitali, No....except for a few.

We just obviously disagree on Vitali, that's cool too. I have seen a drastic improvement in Vitali's counter punching, defense, footwork and ring generalship in the past years and see him as a very mobile and elusive fighter right now, with fast feet and fast body movement. You rate him lower in those categories. :good It's all good. I see your points though, just disagree with alot of them.

 

agreed, the vast majority of the heavyweights back then would be considered cruisers by todays standards, but i dont think that doesn't make them true HW's. they could easily fight at around the 220-230 mark, especially for fighters like smokin joe, who can knock out anyone at any given moment. i will concur that in terms of SUPERHEAVIES
like the klitschkos, they are the best no question. i appreciate you remaining composed, its hard to debate with fanatics such as ruskull and farmboxer without it resorting to a mud slinging fest.:good i wish they were more klitschko fans like you on ESB.

 

a) The quote has no relevance to H2H. As an all time great, Vitali is NO HIGHER than 15....and that's a huge push!!!!
b) He might be top 10 H2H at a push, but no way top 5.

 

I'm a little more passionate about some other fighters. But fantasy matchups with the Klits against past all-time greats is just real hard for me. On one hand you have the Klits who have ugly styles, weaknesses, weak competition but also have some VERY good strengths. And then you have Frazier, Ali, Prime Tyson who are All-time greats for a reason, but I can honestly see Vitali giving them fits based on his size, strength, intelligence and what not.

I will say one thing though, Vitali kills Marciano :yep :good

 

Yes, absolutely.

 

atsch My god Tyson would mutilate him you muppet! As would Foreman Holy would be too sharp as well and pound out a decision.
Frazier would eat him for breakfast. Klit dosen't have the skill or balance to keep him off him.

 

I think they're both good world class fighters but way short of atg in terms of ability. And its quite pssible they'll never have worthy enough opponents to prove the doubters wrong. I'm not particularly convinced in Haye as an opponent that either one can proove their 'greatness' upon.