Klitschko & Haye Double Standards, Why?

My grandmother outweighs me by 7 stone, and I would have no trouble standin toe to toe with her. The fact is, if you've ever laced up gloves in your life, there is a point where weight becomes a non factor. Case in point, when we look at the history of the heavyweight division, the best, most dominant fighters were between 180 (Marciano) and 245 (Lewis & the Klitschkos) pounds. There really is a dearth of champions who have done or proven anything over that weight. If you want to suggest that there have been quality champs over and above that weight, well, the onus is on you to acutally prove it. My guess....you can't, because there aren't any.

 

Winning is everything. He lowered the risk by fighting the fight he had to fight. Is Haye boxed more aggressively he would of get hit more and lost, simple as that. You can't take anything for granted in Germany, he wasn't confident on the knock-out and wanted to box his way to victory, we saw Holyfield beat Valuev and he lost because he got hit, despite clearly winning. Haye did what he had to do to minimise the risk of dropping a decision.

You might want to be a bit more clear about what exactly this 'double standard' is. I didn't mind watching Haye v Valuev - wasn't the most entertaining fight but I wasn't exactly bored to death. I found Vitali v Johnson more boring, but I don't put the blame on Vitali. Johnson was appalling. I hope you're not incinerating that Johnson and Haye fought the same fight. Johnson never even attempted to win and landed 5 power punches.

 

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Hater you are...criticizing Haye over ONE SINGLE fight.

You ask: "Do people on this site really have that big a problem with reality?"

I ask: Do YOU really have that big a problem with reality?[/quote]

How dumb are you? It's his only definitive (do you know what that word means?) fight at heavy. What else is someone going to criticise him about...his golf swing?

 

It really is down to race. White people have been force fed for their entire lives that they are ****/weak/evil/gimps etc etc by the Israeli controlled media. Simple. Really.

 

I admit the fight Haye had with Valuev was dull, but if you look at Hayes record he has scored alot of quick KOs, which get people excited. He unified the CW titles in good bouts. Ive seen most of Hayes fights and can only recall him being in 2 dull bouts.
Haye broke his hand early in the Valuev fight, & considering he was outweighed by about 7 stone, threw sparingly. In his other 2 HW bouts he scored KOs.

 

. You can't take anything for granted in Germany, he wasn't confident on the knock-out and wanted to box his way to victory, we saw Holyfield beat Valuev and he lost because he got hit, despite clearly winning. Haye did what he had to do to minimise the risk of dropping a decision.



You're now blaming an entire country for your idol's sub-par performance? My guess--you've been sucking a bit too much on that vitreous flask pictured in your avatar.

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Here we go with this again. Enlighten me as to your record in the ring, let me guess, you are a double Olympic champion, right? Please quantify why having been in the ring makes you more of an 'expert'.

That's an appalling logic. Lewis and the Klitschko's are some of the biggest Super Heavyweights of all-time in terms of world-class ability. For one, there aren't that many bigger. And two, are you saying anybody automatically over 245lbs is rubbish?

Since when is weight a non-factor? A 7st weight advantage would suggest Valuev being stronger and having more weight to put into punches or clinches. Trading inside with Valuev would be a stupid thing to do when you know you can out-box him on the back foot.

 

I agree, but it was acceptable for Dirrell against Froch, to alot of people

 

In that case he has no business fighting at HW, and should stop running his mouth. I don't think the win was that clear either, rounds one to eleven could have been draws. One was ineffectively aggressive, the other ran. Round twelve was for Haye, but is winning a single round enough to take a "world championship" title?

One hundred and forty punches over twelve rounds, how can a boxing fan excuse that? If he weren't British you'd agree with me, it's a downright disgrace that he got paid for that travesty of a fight.

 

Not to me, but even Dirrell threw about four times as many punches as Haye. Hell, he landed about two times the amount of punches Haye threw.

 

To be fair, who said that? I've certainly never heard/ read that

 

I dont think anyone cares about Vitali,he's the worst champion in history