Klitschko & Haye Double Standards, Why?

See this is what I have a problem with little kids like you being on a Boxing Forum. What Haye did in the Valuev fight is NOT 'boxing off the back foot'. It was running. The guy threw 140 punches total in a 12 round fight for christ sakes! He ran. There is no other way to put it.

If you want to see a smaller guy box of the back foot against a bigger and hard punching opponent watch how Larry Holmes fought Gerry Cooney. That my young friend is masterful Boxing off the back foot to avoid a guys power and win a fight. Now trot your 17 year old self over to youtube and watch the fight. It is all there.

This is why I hope Klitschko gets Valuev next because he is going to show everyone how it is done. What will the Haye nuthuggers say after VitKlit smashes Valuev to pieces? Probably that Haye's 11.9 punches a round softened Valuev up for Klitschko? :rofl:roflatschatsch

 

Yes I did, excuse the ******ness.

This post was directed at Fan2010 as I quoted him.

This was also directed at Fan2010, hence why I quoted him.

The point I'm trying to make - whether we talk about him trading or not - is that Haye fought the perfect fight to maximise his chances. If he stepped in a little more and let his punches go more - as much as I'd of liked to see him do so - he probably would of got caught a helluva lot more and run the risk of losing on the cards or even getting stunned and then finished.

Fine, but as I said above, if he's more active, he's moving less, leaving himself exposed more and running the risk of getting tagged and losing one way or another. Yes he wasn't as active as he perhaps should of been, but at the end of the day he's fighting a guy with experience, strength and size. If Haye steps in more often, Valuev eventually probably finds a way to counter-act that and it makes the fight a whole lot tougher for Haye. Can we at least appreciate that Haye's job is first and foremost to win and not entertain, and that he fought the perfect fight to allow him to achieve the first function?

 

the ONLY round in that whole abortion of a fight that could be scored CONCLUSIVE for one fighter was the 12th round.

 

Since when has David Haye been Larry Holmes? He's obviously nowhere near that level, so why use that as an example. Haye is probably incapable of boxing that well off the back-foot because it's not his game.

I have no problem debating this matter, because I'm debating with RDJ and Fan2010 on the same issue. However I have an issue with debating with you because you seem incapable of making a logical arguement without resulting to insults and general ******ness. When you aren't a complete degenerate, I will be happy to take you off my Ignore List and debate with you seriously.

 

So why then the non-stop slagging of the 38 years old Klitschko who is reduced to arm punches from all his injuries, and STILL stands right infront of his opponent, dodging punches coming at him while peppering them non-stop ? Because he "doesn't take a risk to look FANCY blablabla".

Hayes approach, for me with a bit more punches to make sure he gets the round, was perfectly making sense. The only problem is the shrill multi-standard of calling the safety first ultra-low activity footwork win for the handsome stud a "great win", while the tall guy having to find ways to fight around his injuries who stands right in the face of his opponent to throw everything at him he can is "boring", "a disgrace", blablabla. Without Hayes and his fans talk before and after the fight, excusing himself with another strange injury noone saw, we would just look at a smart safety first decision win with no problem. The problem is the talking.

 

Jesus man you don't have to be Larry Holmes to Box off the back foot. It was an example for you. There are literally 100's of other examples.

Haye was not Boxing off the back foot. He was throwing weak punches and the literally either back peddling or running around the ring.

I don't have a problem with Haye winning the fight because he clearly won the 12th round. That is the ONLY round I could even score the fight was so bad. You had Valuev coming forward and Haye running from him.

The fight was an abortion from start to finish. And I hope there is not a rematch though I suspect there will be. Nobody wants to sit through that garbage again.

 

Hey, Vitali fights thet way that suits him and that's cool. I never said he was boring, all I said was I don't think he's as good as he's made out to be. I don't think he's the top 5 ATG heavyweight some have made him out to be, that's all. And I've seen flaws. But that's cool, Haye has plenty and nowhere near a top 5 ATG heavyweight himself obviously. They fight to their strengths and that's the way it should be.

 

Weak punches? Did you even watch the fight? When Haye landed they were pretty forceful, certainly not weak. Valuev was shaking his hand constantly, which I take as a sign they were getting through and he was trying to win a psychological battle and discourage Haye from letting leather go even further. And Haye wobbled him at the end, so they weren't weak punches.

He wasn't 'running'. I don't understand this comment at all from people. If Valuev is pressuring, then it's evident Haye is going to be moving backwards or laterally to keep out of range, given Valuev had such a reach advantage over him. He wants to keep space for him to dart in and out, that's why there was so much movement.

He doesn't have the upper body or head-movement to be able to sit whether Valuev's reach in the pocket and make him miss and fire back. So he boxed the way he had to box, with a lot of movement and with a lot of space to work in.

 

Now now Chef pal, as you know not all us Haye fans have been bewitched by David's bull-****!! As I have said many times, I WANT him to win, but hey I want a Bentley in my garage on Xmas morning (to replace the clapped out ****ing death trap that I risk my life in, every time I venture out in it) but I bet I don't get one! Just as i'll be betting that David loses to either brother. The "Nut-huggers" (I assume that this is a derogatory Americanised term! It is one I am not familiar with, perhaps you could explain what it means?) are the people who will make the market for the rest of us!! GO NUT-HUGGERS (Whatever it means!!)!! Seriously mate, we must at the very least applaud David's talent for illusion!! He talked his way into a shot at VALUEV by slagging the KLITSCHKOS (who he was never going to fight at that time) and having only had one fight at HW!! Which was a tko victory victory against a (Now sadly) journeyman who floored him!! How neat a "Trick" was that? The only other guy who I can think of who gained a HW title shot quicker was that gold medalist who fought Patterson for the title on his pro debut! Pete Rademacher!!. As I've said I want David to win, but all Haye fans should remain realistic. He is a huge underdog against either brother and whilst he does have "A chance" it is a slim one!!

 

You filthy quote mixer you :twisted:

If this is the only way Haye could have won against the limited, ultra slow both in hand- and foot speed, plodding, telegraphing, low on ring-generalship Mount Valuev, then Haye has no business fighting at HW. He could go back to cruiser, or fight bums (who will put him on the canvas as well). But first and foremost, he should shut the **** up.

 

:good:good I actually thought Valuev may get the decision and I can't be the only one! But I am glad David got the nod!!