Klitschko Peter, bring your knowledge of boxing history to bear on this one.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by janitor, Oct 6, 2008.


  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    What will happen?

    The length of time that Vitally Klitschko has been inactive would suggest that he is in for a beating if history is aanything to go by.

    Many on the general forum are confidently predicting a Klitschko win and they might turn out to be like those who confidently predicted that Jim Jeffries could come back after a long layoff to beat Jack Johnson.

    Is this going to be yet another case of a former champion coming back after a long layoff to get anihilated or is Klitschko going to break the mould.

    Whoever wins the fight is likely to be pivotal to producing a single champion.

    If Klitschko wins then he and his brother will hold three of the four major belts and Valuev will have to fight one of them or become an irrelevance. The Klitschko brand will just be huge.

    If Peter wins then it will set up a grudge match with Wladamir between the two men that everybody will then recognise as being the top two heavyweights in the world.
     
  2. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Peter ant no Jack Johnson though. I mean he is not on the level of a Johnson, Tunney(In Dempsey's case,) or any were near toughs levels.

    I sure if VK was faceing some one, perhaps his brother or some one in that level, than we have some real questions. But I cant see VK loseing this one unless he comes in like Ali vs Holmes.
     
  3. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I too have read the numerous threads in the GF, that favor Vitali klitschko against Sam Peter in October. While Klitschko's experience, size and power is indeed a force to be reckoned with, I am going to go with youth and recent activity here. Its not like Vitali is returning at the age of 29 and without a single loss or any history of health issues, as was the case with Muhammad Ali in 1970. No, he is 37 years of age, has been mending injuries for much of his career, has had difficulty staying healthy during training sessions, and was beaten even during his prime.

    Sam Peter is often dressed up as being a disgrace to modern boxing, but we can't ignore the fact that he has never been Ko'd, and has fought something like 10 times since Klitschko retired. The last time he took on an aging veteran who hadn't fought much as of late, he destroyed him inside of 6 rounds ( albeit, he was staggered a number of times as well. ) Klitschko may have a proven chin that at one time, was second to none, however we do not know if his durability is still what it once was, and Peter can certainly crack..

    Unless Sam Peter shows up completely unprepared to fight, I have no choice but to pick him to defeat Vitali Klitschko in what will likely be a bloody brawl between two punchers...
     
  4. TommyV

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    And Vitali Klitschko aint no Jim Jeffries.

    Honestly, I don't think Peter is as bad as people make out. Sure he's slow and plodding, but his chin was proven solid in the Klitschko fight, forget the McCline fight. It also can't be disputed that the guy has power, and he's developed a jab of late and doesn't have obvious stamina issues despite being a fat ****.

    I also don't think Klitschko is quite right. I think the lay off will be too much. Not to mention all the injuries he suffered from prior to and since retirement. I think he's done. A tune up could of done him good, just to get back in the ring and handle the intensity and get back into fighting shape. And although he's come through training camp for once, he looks old in those pics of the press conference.

    I think he can box and control perhaps the first 3 or 4 rounds, but I think the wear and tear will tell, you will see him age in the ring. I think he will pick up a few niggling injuries, and start to tire. From then I think Peter can take control and wear him down to a stoppage around 7.
     
  5. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I make the same prediction for exactly the same reasons.

    I dont have to tell anybody here that I am not an admirer of Sam Peter. I would ick the Klitschko of the Williams fight over him in a heartbeat.
     
  6. Muchmoore

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    I don't even rank Peter in my top 4 right now, but he should win late. Prime Vitali I would pick to KO Peter but Vitali has been out of the ring for years now due to injuries and his reflexes AREN'T going to be what they were. Vitali relied heavily on his reflexes to avoid shots, and they are most likely nearly gone, Peter wins late.
     
  7. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Frankly, I find it astonishing that so many posters have favored Vitali in this match. It almost seems as though his age and inactivity are non-factors to certain people. Nevertheless, I suppose anything can happen, and should Vitali pull of the upset, it wouldn't be the biggest in history by any means. I still don't see the logic in picking him though....
     
  8. Caponecartels

    Caponecartels Maritime Lawyer Full Member

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    aghh.. you guys are really making me regret on betting Vitali. I hadn't really
    given too much thought on his inactivity in the ring, thinking that he'd be as good as new. The smart choice woulda been to choose Peter, as much of a slob that he is, since he still has fought regularly and is looking a bit better than usual. I still hope that i was right on the bet though :lol:
     
  9. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    I also choose Peter because he is young, active, and while he could (should) drop 10-20 pounds, he seems to be able to fight quite well at 250lbs and has won all his fights since the Klitschko defeat.

    I think this matchup depends entirely on how much Vitali Klitschko has left. Any version of Klitschko that we've seen in the past would give the Nigerian an ugly hiding, but after 4 years of inactivity, and more importantly, 4 years of being injured, i think there's a good chance he'll lose the fight because of some injury (followed by the greatest orgasm SuzieQ ever had). The fact that he always remained in good shape is a plus, but a long fight career + injuries + being a giant is asking for trouble against a young, active contender...
     
  10. McGrain

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    A) Klitschko is well prepared enough to do the twelve rounds with his physical memory in tact.

    B) He isn't.


    If A, he wins, if B, he loses.
     
  11. Robbi

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    Klitschko reminds me of Monzon in many ways. Not particularly pretty on the eye, but damn effective. He's great at controlling a fight and when he aint in control he's usually all out aggressive. I would probably favour him if he was coming back after 4 years at say 32. The injuries and inactiveness are worries. After hearing Vitali in the build-up, he's looking to end the fight early. He'll not be confident going into the later rounds for obvious reasons.

    Peter has improved his all round ability over the last year or so, especially his boxing skills at long range. He was known for only his power at one stage. McCline dropping him has brought question marks about his chin. I think his chin is solid when looking at the broader picture.

    I'll take Peter on points.
     
  12. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Well the classic forum is clearly coming down in favour of Peter in contrast to the prevailing view on the general forum.
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I think Klitschko will win, I think he will be ready enough.
     
  14. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Power and chin are usually two of the last attributes to go in a fighter. Power especially, and Vitali's power and chin are both unbelievable.

    He isn't invulnerable, though, and he's clearly been affected by different heavyweight shots. By a end of his career slightly overweight Lennox Lewis and Corrie Sanders as well. Who knows if Samuel Peter can affect him and finish the show? His power is a massive mystery to me, as it is to most fight fans.

    His KO of Jeremy Williams made him look like the next Shaver's and on the flip side he didn't smash Wladimir's Chin.

    There seems to be a trend for fighters coming into fights with Vitali ill prepared and overweight, hence the criticism of him never beating a "in shape" contender. Who knows. Samuel Peter has obvious weight issues. I wouldn't be surprised if he came in at a career high weight.

    I really don't know who to pick in this one.
     
  15. radianttwilight

    radianttwilight Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Vitali's power is massively overrated IMO. I don't think he punches any harder than Peter does, he just had great stamina in his prime so that (and his size) allowed him to grind people down.

    Unless Peter's chin is somehow much worse than it was when he fought Wladimir, he won't get KO'd by Vitali without gross accumulation.